jurnieks1233
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So this is peak fun gameplay with great match making UFFFF
Bad Matchmaking Thread
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Invested approx 50-60h lately and went from Initiate to borderline Alchemist 1.
Honestly what I see is somehow bigger discrepancy despite of much longer queue times (Initiate took less then 2 min usually to start the game -> now it regularly takes 3-5 despite me adding 3 more heroes to legend pool of mine).
Also there are much more games where people somehow play like bots = worse than I have ever seen in Initiate level. Meanwhile better players are significantly better = more coordinated, advanced movement starts to appear regularly, much better accuracy.
And finally it is sad to see so many players who get triggered by comms - you asking to change lanes because one is weaker than other, not to lose them all, or suggest some tactics and getting instant "stfu" messages or voice comms. So much less was present in lower ranks. Not sure how in Beta testing community is already so typical of Overwatch or Apex aka hero ball + any communication in soloq triggers rage and brainless comments.
p.s. I was made aware of option where you can choose more competitive queue -> somehow after ticking that I feel like I get put in games where game expects me to carry bots vs actually putting me in overall more competitive teams. Maybe a bug.
Honestly what I see is somehow bigger discrepancy despite of much longer queue times (Initiate took less then 2 min usually to start the game -> now it regularly takes 3-5 despite me adding 3 more heroes to legend pool of mine).
Also there are much more games where people somehow play like bots = worse than I have ever seen in Initiate level. Meanwhile better players are significantly better = more coordinated, advanced movement starts to appear regularly, much better accuracy.
And finally it is sad to see so many players who get triggered by comms - you asking to change lanes because one is weaker than other, not to lose them all, or suggest some tactics and getting instant "stfu" messages or voice comms. So much less was present in lower ranks. Not sure how in Beta testing community is already so typical of Overwatch or Apex aka hero ball + any communication in soloq triggers rage and brainless comments.
p.s. I was made aware of option where you can choose more competitive queue -> somehow after ticking that I feel like I get put in games where game expects me to carry bots vs actually putting me in overall more competitive teams. Maybe a bug.
you can literally just look at my account and see how ass the matchmaking is. my friend has like 12 games played and is emissary, i have over 100 with close to 50% win rate and im alchemist 4. I STARTED SEEKER 1 BTW. i consistently derank but it takes multiple wins in a row to even rank up. i am consistently top of my team regardless of losses. its kinda a joke that im outperforming my team everygame yet they get their shit pushed in. game feels like hot ass to play.
Impossible to win.
3 animals on my team feed since min 1. We lost mid walker on min 6!!!
I tried to carry with haze and didnt even stand a chance at winning. Awful matchmaking.
Match Id: 59085754
How is this fair??????
I understand 1 person feeding. 2 people feeding. But 4 at once is impossible to do anything. Fuck your matchmaking honestly!
3 animals on my team feed since min 1. We lost mid walker on min 6!!!
I tried to carry with haze and didnt even stand a chance at winning. Awful matchmaking.
Match Id: 59085754
How is this fair??????
I understand 1 person feeding. 2 people feeding. But 4 at once is impossible to do anything. Fuck your matchmaking honestly!
TheMoobile
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It's so sad... I really hope they fix this, I want to play the game and I enjoy it - but in it's current matchmaking state it's quite literally unplayable. And I mean that in the truest sense, if I was AFK and not playing the game I'd have the same impact on the game given the lobbies I'm being put in.
TheMoobile
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Ummm no...
That's not how this works.
If he doesn't perform he shouldn't be stuck in Ritualist, he should go lower into a rank where he is with players of EQUAL skill.
This is the problem the game has. If you don't perform you're stuck in the new inflated ranks and it refuses to demote you, so NO-ONE gets a fair lobby.
TheMoobile
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Yes. Very wrong. It happened around 9th Feb when they had an update and everyones ranks got inflated. People who were lower skilled and in comfortable ranks have been pushed into stupid ranks they don't belong.
A *real* example of this is I was in bottom 5% of players (that's okay, I was learning the game!) but NOW I've been pushed into bottom 25% of players (which, is a 5x improvement!) The issue is, I didn't get 5x better over-night, but the lobbies I've been placed into are.
So what do you expect happens? That's right. I get outclassed every game and destroyed. Because, again, I am a bottom 5% player (I'm still learning the game!!!) and EVEN WORSE the game refuses to demote me back to that rank!!!
It's insanity. And unplayable.
Match ID: 59103821
Whatever was done to the ranks has majorly screwed things up. I have nearly 150 hours in the game and I'm apparently in Emissary IV which doesn't sound right to begin with, but as it turns out at least the Haze and the Silver on my team were only starting the game!! Haze had about 20 hours, the Silver had about 40 I believe- and they said they had both been placed in Archon somehow? None of it computes. I'm not trying to say "oh my team sucks that's why I lost" because I don't think I should be in Emissary either, but also I definitely should not be paired with players who just started out?
Whatever was done to the ranks has majorly screwed things up. I have nearly 150 hours in the game and I'm apparently in Emissary IV which doesn't sound right to begin with, but as it turns out at least the Haze and the Silver on my team were only starting the game!! Haze had about 20 hours, the Silver had about 40 I believe- and they said they had both been placed in Archon somehow? None of it computes. I'm not trying to say "oh my team sucks that's why I lost" because I don't think I should be in Emissary either, but also I definitely should not be paired with players who just started out?
kirbychwan
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59108551
9 kills vs 50 kills
coughing babies vs a 5-stack of smurfs
9 kills vs 50 kills
coughing babies vs a 5-stack of smurfs
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brainshack
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flint.wongkh
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yo @Yoshi thank you for b2b loses. Please tell me how is my team balanced and ascendant because they don't play like ascendants. You just be giving anyone ascendant these days huh? But i appreciate you taking the time to make the matchmaking worse. Truly one of a kind. Team isn't balanced, draft isn't balanced, team is losing more than 15% within first 15 minutes. It already sets the tone but I don't think you care tbh.
Ravaanos.Sarivur
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my brother in christ.. its arcanist... and you seem not know how to build for full carry yourself... You could carry it easily. it's on you tbh.
you build titanic mag, cdr, expansion, stamina mastery, leech, cheat death on haze... vs nearly full spirit nuke team.. where is frenzy, where is spell breaker, where is spirit resil? at least got silencer- good. cheat death- meh. expansion does nothing pretty much, better get warpstone if u wanna not let people jump out of your ult and or capacitor. if you want spirit for longer ults and more bullets- better get surge of power on knife, and stuff like curse, focus lense, slowing hex, boundless. but usually you will have 1, 2, or 3 maxmum spirit items.. want more lifesteal?- better get vamp burst, leech is cool and all, but ultra late if you have slots for it, but better get more fire-rate. toxic can be nice- but no1 of them builds hp and has bare minimum of green investment.. get penetration (crippling headshot or bullet resist shreder if u can land knifes well) or more fire-rate. Coz even if they don't buy bullet resists- you can reduce their resists to negative. Penetration is a multiplicative multiplier to your damage.
you could just become unkillable for them and hunt them down 1 by 1 or ult entire teams solo winning the game. Can ask team to be the bait for lash ult, or just let them get ulted by lash, clean up yourself right after... but....
and your ritualist game- glass cannon is not great on haze.. like at all.. and SB bth.. but when you get this many kills- maybe worth if you giga carry. Glass cannon makes your 20 damage bullets do 30.. wow. cool 6.4k nice. and yet again cheat death...
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Your comment is pointless because I didn't even have the chance to play the game.
You are saying that I need defensive items, why?
I have 5 deaths and 3 of those are in my spawn when we had already lost 5 times.
You need the context of the game and the context was that my team fed since the beginning of the game non stop. This Celeste had 12k net when I had 6k and I was doing well.
My rank is low cause I have few games on this account and I just started playing a few weeks ago.
Ravaanos.Sarivur
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"You are saying that I need defensive items, why?"
coz you don't die those 5 times then. Celest can't kill you with 67-87% spirit resist (might even go into 90% territory with fury trance.). no1 on their team can aside from venator.
same in ritualist game- nearly all of them are gun and melee... 1 plated armor would give so much value its insane or metal skin (even tho it won't save vs mirage marks, but still, he would have rought time stacking them all up), can get juggernaut if can't parry billy well. or rebuttal if no souls
Will add- also can add inhibitor to reduce enemy damage and healing, with all the resists vs main threats you just won't die they will barely scratch you...
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Cool post, thanks for feedback, I am not at the level where I can confirm or deny how correct it is, but at least it is constructive.
What I also see in many cases here are some stats and that's it. In most cases stats show that someone from team / enemy team stands out a lot and many players are on the other end of the extreme = doing basically nothing but dying a lot.
I think matchmaking can be summarized to following: in ideal case good matchmaking would find 12 players that are equally skilled so they battle it out and there are not games where someone can gain extreme advantage or game is won/lost under 20 min.
At least for me even in case of a loss but one where I / my team had a fighting chance I don't feel bad, its competition, always someone wins, someone loses. But those extreme cases are hard to swallow and feel totally unfair / EBMM like.
Finally what I see here a lot is what @Ravaanos.Sarivur mentioned - there is potential in this game to solo-carry and actually ensure the win via adjusting to your bad teammates. Only you need to know a lot, follow the game even more, adjust on the fly.
Vs just do what you usually do, apply auto-buy one some random public build you liked recently and repeat that game after game. Which let's be fair many people do especially on lower levels.
On the one hand you might say that lower level than X should not be asked to do above mentioned, on the other hand from matchmaking side there should probably not be people who can and can not do already next level tactics in the same game?
Ravaanos.Sarivur
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well yeah.. I bet its bad in ritualist, alchemist, etc too rn coz of rank boosts, but at higher ranks its more apparent and bad.. coz indeed in oracle and even ascendant you can get teammates who are playing their 32th game... no joke. like they have 0 clue to whats happening, they just sit after some time scared to do anything or continue feeding without any reaction to people literally telling them what to do coz they have 0 clue about terms in the game, what vaults/sinners are, how we know where enemies are, and seem to be not looking at map coz they don't understand the call "Ginnis take green walker, we go urn, they all will be there"... where does ginnis goes in ascendant lobby? she goes from spawn to mid and dies to rotating to urn enemy team..
But in lower ranks coz every1 most likely bad- this is not that world ending, especially if you yourself know what to do at least. like this is what happens when player that knows whats happening ends up in "unwinnable" low elo game. coz we all were there. (those guys who got some kills on my team- they got them later into the game when I was killing every1.. they all had 0 kills at some point)
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Steve01
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are those guys abusing matchmaking or what ???? look at the differences when they trio q and when they dont.
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