Bad Matchmaking Thread

Another game, another 4 useless teammates. Is this enough data for your research?View attachment 32852
This is an interesting case study in player frustration. These two teams actually see mostly fairly equal, and yet the experience is frustrating.

The total soul disparity is only about 10% with none of the usual telltale disparity of having 15+ kills or deaths. The top stats are distributed between the teams, and 11 of the 12 players are in a 30-36k range of souls. The top line numbers seem like the game should feel close and winnable.

So why does it feel bad? Where are the disparities and what can they tell us?

its tempting to look at the Warden vs Infernus matchup and note how many souls were fed to Infernus as deaths. However that isn't the biggest difference between the teams. 30 vs 45 kills probably didn't feel great, but its recoverable. 37 vs 76 assists is huge. That suggests the Sapphire Flame grouped up more

Of course obj damage is what ultimately wins the game, and this is where the biggest difference lies within each team. Overall its roughly 40k to 65k, but half of the Amber Hand's objective damage was done by Warden alone. Paradox and Abrams barely looked at an objective the whole game.

This data paints a picture of a game where Sapphire flame grouped up and pushed objectives together, while the Amber hand split up with most of the team chasing individual kills in small groups, while warden pushed objectives alone. If there is a skill issue here, its not mechanical or tactical, but strategic. Amber failed to communicate and coordinate.

How does a match making system account for this? Its hard to think of a metric that could capture how well a player contributed to their team. "time on mic" or "number of pings" both go up when people are flaming. Is it reasonable to expect any random group of six people will naturally vibe together or come up with a shared leadership and coordination? Is "matchmaking" really a form of speed dating? Do we need psychological profiles to create good teams?

It seems that deadlock was specifically designed to reward teams who group up and coordinate. Players failing to do this isn't experienced as their own lack of communications skill though, its at best internalised as a lack of mechanical skill, or more often externalised and blamed on team mates and the game failing to matchmake. So if the problem with matchmaking isn't the matchmaking, how do we solve a lack of coordination?

Currently there are very few in-game tools to learn or encourage coordination. Playing vs bots is the only current form of game practice, but training only covers basic laning, and late game coordination is what the bots are worst at. So, how do we help players progress from intermediate skill level to advanced? How do we gently remind players to do the things that win games and make their team mates happy?

Yet again my conclusion is that in-game diagetic prompting, training, and contextual queues are the solution to align player behaviour with intended play patterns.
 
Use this thread to share matchids for games that you think the matchmaker did a bad job at. If you can explain what you felt was a problem in it that would be helpful as well.

Do not post matchids for games that were within the past 24 hours from this post. Games older than that are fine and games going forward are fine.

Thanks for the help
30453747 - This is beyond infuriating. Sticking a team of Archon 4 in with a team of Oracle 4. It really just speaks for itself.
 
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My average team rank was Seeker VI, they were Alchemist V. It was not even close, as the average rank of the teams would suggest, I was ok in my lane but every other lane melted. Part of a series of 5 or 6 extremely poorly matched games in a row.
unironically alchemist enemy team vs seeker my team describes every game since the end of ranked for me but i feel like most of my games are tight but if they arent tight its fucking brutal
 
Dunno why I even bother posting these anymore, its not like anything changes. Dunno why i play anymore. Its just frustrating. 900 hours and this is what I get. 23 min game where I have the same kills as my whole team. Sad man, honestly
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We had two leavers with absolutely no contribution whatsoever combined with MM putting Ivy in a solo lane against a Shiv who just ran the lobby.
 
Skärmbild 2024-12-15 160522.pngwhen i started playing this game i played non stop for three days straight. 80% of the games were nailbiters. real close and fair. the last3 weekshave been absolute fucking bullshit.
it's either getting ran over or run everyone over
the game is objectively bad
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probably the most unfair feeling game so far. There was no counter play. Every single player on the enemy team was better than us. haze could not be killed. they denied and camped urn. Mcginnis could solo mid boss. There was no way to come back from it.
 
Match ID: 30506921

If I'm going to be matched with new players at Ritualist, I'm just out entirely. I can never progress or get better if I'm getting dunked on cause I'm on a team of newer players.
 
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