Southpa
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do you know why this is happening and if anyone is planning on acknowledging it?
Rank stuck on initiate 2 (VALVE FIX THIS PLEASE)
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ReportingBugs
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Can confirm. I went from Oracle 6 to Phantom 1 by literally doing nothing, when I sense my MMR is going all over the place.
Also, I swear, because there is a twitch video of someone losing 7 games in a row, under 20 min losses, and ended up oracle 1, I notice at times, only 1 teammate plays more poor than some seekers. I geninuely think the matchmaking has some serious flaws. This needs addressing, and it is not making me have fun. The product will flop if Valve does not consider this.
Hopefully, knowing Valve, they are aware and they are cooking a giant matchmaking gumbo as we speak.
https://www.twitch.tv/lefaawr/clip/FlaccidTrappedDragonflyAMPTropPunch-RR5nMkNCdXFubCI-
ReportingBugs
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I think this is because of poor match calibration. Matchmaking score is not reflecting with rank given. See twitch video above.
back_biter+deadlock
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When you say fresh account, you mean a fresh steam account? I'm stuck in Ascendant 4 despite having like an average kda of 4/2/15 (on statlocker over last 200 games)
I want to make a new account too
Donavancmw
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K/D/A Doesn't equal Wins. Sounds like you're in the rank you belong.
ReportingBugs
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Eeeeh, I mean, even in my phantom/oracle games, I get people who straight up do not belong there. Same issues are also present in Ascendent lobbies as well. K/D/A is somewhat of a reflection of capability, though, you have to have in mind the macro game, strats, theory crafting, etc. K/D/A and soul count causes you, or rather, is reflective (either way goes) of you gaining a lead, and capitalising on it.
Legitimately, how do you explain this clip?
https://www.twitch.tv/lefaawr/clip/FlaccidTrappedDragonflyAMPTropPunch-RR5nMkNCdXFubCI-
Surely there must be some people who absolutely do not belong in that rank, and cause people to have unstable mmr's. I was able to climb oracle extremely quickly, but then I hit phantom, and don't get me wrong, most teammates play well, but you get someone who loses their mind (or good chunk of the team) and games that should be winnable, end up being thrown. I had to deal with an e5 smurf (as shown on their statlocker) on the enemy team, and a pocket that played worst than seekers I know. Everyone agrees matchmaking sucks. Why can't you? What experience do you have that we don't have? We as in, the community. From eternus, to even initiate. Literal evidence showing otherwise.
Or what, you just talk shit? Sounds like you're talking shit.
throwawaym8
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I don't have any insider info or anything, so this is pure speculation, but lefaa has made dozens of accounts. He might be marked as a smurf which makes his ranks default to higher.
ReportingBugs
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Shouldn't he be banned if it detects smurfing? How would that be possible?
throwawaym8
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Valve bans people and they just make new accounts and keep playing. I don't know why, but they are very lax about cheaters and smurfs.
testingdeadlocks
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probably based on HWID but I've tested new higher rank account with new HWID and there has been new playerbase on god damn eternus or archon with <100 games and <50% winrates
Experiencing much of the same, here's an almost 100 game difference where I am still in Initiate II.
It's really annoying. Even if, theoretically, I am deserving of the rank, shouldn't I atleast bob around the ladder, be Initiate III, IV, sometimes? Not just be perma Initiate II specifically? Shrug. I play with people who rank above me and I'm not really that out of place skillwise in their games.
kanezaka223
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kanezaka223
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And youre on a negative win rate on both accts. Both of those are 43% win rates. You arent climbing out like that. Even when you're winning you still are climbing a list of people that are ahead of you. For instance if there are 1000 Initiate 1 players and youre at the bottom of the latter. Youd have to be performing well and climbing that 1000 people to even get to Initiate 2.
the rank system seems fluid and seems to atleast change your rank quite often judging by my friends who have actually moving ranks. regardless of where i belong or whether or not i should be climbing it's bizarre the rank is literally thawed in time no matter what happens. I could go on a 7 game win streak (happened recently, actually) with some games where I was mega ahead on souls and kills and MVP and my rank won't budge from Initiate II. Specifically II. Never is it III, IV, nor does it go down to I. It's been Initiate II for hundreds of games. also these are both the same acc just some time apart
ReportingBugs
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If you have 7 game win streak, you should absolutely adjust at the very least - I know for me just having 3-4 is enough.
I am inclined to think if you are telling the truth, it is a bug, considering a lot of people seem to be a initiate 2. Intitate 2 is quite bad at the game, so just playing for 100+ games, you should passively at the very least get better, because that's how the human brain works.
Since a lot of people report being in that exact rank, and being stuck, it is likely true. Considering my observations, higher elo observations, and even people with new accounts losing 7 games and ending up in Oracle 1, yeah, it seems to be the case.
raptor777777
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Changing ranks by doing nothing is completely normal. Rank is based on ELO (or Glicko, or whatever). You do not know your ELO. It's hidden, you can never see it (in some games you can, like in TF2:
This means that your rank depends not just what you are doing, but also what others are doing, and who you are matched with and against. If you keep winning against players with lower ELO than you, then you won't gain much ELO because you were expected to win.
Now, according to Tracklock ( https://tracklock.gg/ranks ), Initiate II is actually currently the lowest rank, so there may indeed be something wrong for players who are consistently winning games yet still stuck there, maybe some boundary effect or incorrectly calculated ELO or something. Or maybe something about new players joining the game? No idea, we can't look under the hood.
