deranked 4 ranks after logging in

c1nc0w0

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I got to phantom 2 last night after breaking out of elo hell or whatever. And I go to sleep, I wake up the next day to see im suddenly oracle 4 somehow? I didn't play any or anything, and some of my friends I played with didn't rank down either. Just really confused! game is awesome and enjoying it!
 
Ranks are distributed (probably) normally based on everyone's ELO, not just yours.

While you were asleep, other people gained ELO, changing the ELO distribution, and hence decreasing your rank (this could also increase it).

When you won four games in a row, others won games and gained ELO as well, so the distribution didn't change. That last one apparently put you over the threshold.

When you win or lose, your rank doesn't go up or down, no. What happens is that your ELO (or glicko, or whatever they're using under the hood) goes up or down relatively based on the distribution of ELOs in your match. That's a hidden number that you have no way of seeing. Your ELO is not your rank, but they're related.

Usually they do it in such a way that you gain more ELO for 'unexpected' wins and less ELO for 'expected wins' (e.g. if your team was better to begin with they barely gain ELO, if at all). That could account for matches 'not doing anything'. In most systems, if one team has higher ELO than the other team across the board, then if the team with higher ELO winning usually does less to everyone's ELOs (if anything at all). If the team with less ELO wins, they gain a lot and the other team loses a lot.

Afterwards, ranks are based on ALL ELOs of ALL players. So, if you're in the lowest (as an example) 9% of ELOs, you get moved to Initiate. If you're in the highest 9%, you're in Eternus, same for everything in between (though it's probably a normal distribution so not exactly 9%). But which bracket you're in depends not just on your own ELO, but also on everyone else's.

So yes, what other people are doing while you're asleep can absolutely affect your rank.
 
Ranks are distributed (probably) normally based on everyone's ELO, not just yours.

While you were asleep, other people gained ELO, changing the ELO distribution, and hence decreasing your rank (this could also increase it).

When you won four games in a row, others won games and gained ELO as well, so the distribution didn't change. That last one apparently put you over the threshold.

When you win or lose, your rank doesn't go up or down, no. What happens is that your ELO (or glicko, or whatever they're using under the hood) goes up or down relatively based on the distribution of ELOs in your match. That's a hidden number that you have no way of seeing. Your ELO is not your rank, but they're related.

Usually they do it in such a way that you gain more ELO for 'unexpected' wins and less ELO for 'expected wins' (e.g. if your team was better to begin with they barely gain ELO, if at all). That could account for matches 'not doing anything'. In most systems, if one team has higher ELO than the other team across the board, then if the team with higher ELO winning usually does less to everyone's ELOs (if anything at all). If the team with less ELO wins, they gain a lot and the other team loses a lot.

Afterwards, ranks are based on ALL ELOs of ALL players. So, if you're in the lowest (as an example) 9% of ELOs, you get moved to Initiate. If you're in the highest 9%, you're in Eternus, same for everything in between (though it's probably a normal distribution so not exactly 9%). But which bracket you're in depends not just on your own ELO, but also on everyone else's.

So yes, what other people are doing while you're asleep can absolutely affect your rank.
see the thing is thou no one elses rank was changed besides mine???? same region? If the logic dictates that should mean everyone shoulda deranked. Alot of the games I played was me carrying my friends and they didn't derank?
 
Ranks are distributed (probably) normally based on everyone's ELO, not just yours.

While you were asleep, other people gained ELO, changing the ELO distribution, and hence decreasing your rank (this could also increase it).

When you won four games in a row, others won games and gained ELO as well, so the distribution didn't change. That last one apparently put you over the threshold.

When you win or lose, your rank doesn't go up or down, no. What happens is that your ELO (or glicko, or whatever they're using under the hood) goes up or down relatively based on the distribution of ELOs in your match. That's a hidden number that you have no way of seeing. Your ELO is not your rank, but they're related.

Usually they do it in such a way that you gain more ELO for 'unexpected' wins and less ELO for 'expected wins' (e.g. if your team was better to begin with they barely gain ELO, if at all). That could account for matches 'not doing anything'. In most systems, if one team has higher ELO than the other team across the board, then if the team with higher ELO winning usually does less to everyone's ELOs (if anything at all). If the team with less ELO wins, they gain a lot and the other team loses a lot.

Afterwards, ranks are based on ALL ELOs of ALL players. So, if you're in the lowest (as an example) 9% of ELOs, you get moved to Initiate. If you're in the highest 9%, you're in Eternus, same for everything in between (though it's probably a normal distribution so not exactly 9%). But which bracket you're in depends not just on your own ELO, but also on everyone else's.

So yes, what other people are doing while you're asleep can absolutely affect your rank.
Just found out its a readjustment due to baby lobbies and stuff. U were so wrong lmao, plz stop answering every bug report lmao
 
yeah there seems to be some funky stuff happening with ranks atm, I won a game, deranked, won another, ranked up, won another, deranked all one after the other
 
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