Mirage levitation skill is better than Wraith ultimate

[yoApolloboy]

Mirage levitation skill when maxed out has a cooldown of 18s without any items and is able to levitate the enemy for 2s, while wraith ultimate that does pretty much the same thing has a cooldown of 67 seconds when maxed out but the player stays on the air only for 1.75s, I don't think that this is fair cause if you are in a team fight and gets levitated by mirage is totally over for you

 

[soapykorean]

True, they should buff wraith ult to 6 seconds

 

[yoApolloboy]

True, they should buff wraith ult to 6 seconds

I agree, main wraith here lol

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[IgorNL]

That's what my friends and I said when Mirage was released too, this character will become one of the most powerful in the game.

 

[Abandoned]

Wraith stuns targets. Mirage only roots them.

 

[rumpielanimation]

counterpoint: wraith has insane dps while mirage with his lego starwars peashooter barely does threatening dps

 

[Ragnaman]

+1
literally what i said during a very bs game vs mirage, not only its a wraith ult, its a better wraith ult.
Mirage lifts instantly, in large AOE.
Wraith ult does not do this.

 

[Abandoned]

+1
literally what i said during a very bs game vs mirage, not only its a wraith ult, its a better wraith ult.
Mirage lifts instantly, in large AOE.
Wraith ult does not do this.

counterpoint: wraith has insane dps while mirage with his lego starwars peashooter barely does threatening dps

That's what my friends and I said when Mirage was released too, this character will become one of the most powerful in the game.

True, they should buff wraith ult to 6 seconds

Are you actually this stupid or what is going on here? It feels like a bunch of bots a coalescing upon this thread again.

I understand the initial confusion, but the fact that nobody realizes Wraith stuns the target whereas Mirage roots them is mind boggling. Try it in the test room on the dummy that melees you if you are still confused. Rooted targets can perform any actions, they just have their movement speed set to zero. That's a huge difference compared to a stun where the target literally cannot do anything for the duration.

 

[Dashiell]

They're not bots, they're just playing like them. lol.

Wraith's ult is big aoe whereas Mirage's 1 doesn't even cover thin corridor fully so it's terribly easy to dodge and then you still fight him while in the air.

If you want to talk about bullshit on Mirage talk about rest of his skills which each one being incredibly pita to deal with.

 

[Jud Judson]

Mirage also has a pretty damn long cooldown. But yesterday, people weren't shooting in Mirage 1 and now they are more and more. I think people are just realizing that it doesn't disarm/stun you. Does Wraith's ability specify that it does anything other than "Lift" people? Because if not, they gotta add that it stuns people or there's a weird double standard between the two characters on what Lifting means.

 

[nmketer]

Are you actually this stupid or what is going on here? It feels like a bunch of bots a coalescing upon this thread again.

I understand the initial confusion, but the fact that nobody realizes Wraith stuns the target whereas Mirage roots them is mind boggling. Try it in the test room on the dummy that melees you if you are still confused. Rooted targets can perform any actions, they just have their movement speed set to zero. That's a huge difference compared to a stun where the target literally cannot do anything for the duration.

Being able to shoot doesn't really remedy that you're going to die instantly as you're now lifted out of cover and not moving.
Mirage 1:
Is invulnerable
Grants bullet evasion
Roots enemies and lifts them for extremely easy kills
And has an extremely forgiving cooldown.
It's wildly overtuned. Some characters don't have all that in their entire kit, much less a single ability.

 

[JisBeanGaming]

Please keep your feedback on the general feedback forums. Devs actually read them. So annoying to see these threaads keep popping up every 1-2 days

 

[Abandoned]

Being able to shoot doesn't really remedy that you're going to die instantly as you're now lifted out of cover and not moving.
Mirage 1:
Is invulnerable
Grants bullet evasion
Roots enemies and lifts them for extremely easy kills
And has an extremely forgiving cooldown.
It's wildly overtuned. Some characters don't have all that in their entire kit, much less a single ability.

Yes yes, you got killed by the new hero and therefor he's extremely overpowered.

Has nothing to do with the comment you are replying to. People are saying "it's a better Wraith ultimate" and start discussing this as if a reasonable statement. It is not. A root is a vastly inferior form of CC to a stun.

In Dota 2 there is an item called Rod of Atos, which has insane cast range, little cooldown and roots a target for 2 seconds. Had this been a stun every hero in every game would pick it up due to how broken it would be. Rooting someone is a form of dispositioning someone. If they are rooted while already in a good position it does almost nothing. If they had been stunned initiating on them would be without any form of risk.

 

[Mmoocows]

Has nothing to do with the comment you are replying to. People are saying "it's a better Wraith ultimate" and start discussing this as if a reasonable statement. It is not. A root is a vastly inferior form of CC to a stun.

Are you intentionally being dense? Mirage 1 has a 14-second cooldown with some items you normally buy on him. You are using this ability two or three times a fight, and if you have any level of IQ you are getting upwards of 6 seconds of HARD CC (Roots are by definition Hard CC, as they remove player agency), which sets the enemy up for the entire team to have free pickings, AND gives 45% evasion chance. Evasion is worse than just like Metal skin where you ignore damage because it also causes items and abilities to not proc off of the hit. Its a two second lift which means there are 12 seconds where the enemy isn't lifted, and 8 seconds where you don't ignore 45% of the projectiles that hit you.

I see you post on the forums non-stop and it makes me wonder if you have ever even played the game. Because its 1 is just Wraith ult on a shorter cool down.

 

[MorphingE]

Characters with abilities that remove player agency via knockups and roots.

Bebop Grab and Punch
Dynamo Kinetic Pulse
Gray Talon Immobilizing Trap
Lash Ground Strike (T2)
Mirage Tornado
Mo & Krill Burrow
Viscous Puddle Punch
Warden Binding Word
Vindicta Stake


Honorable Mention Stuns and Semi-stuns:

Ivy Stone Form
McGuinness Wall (T3)
Seven Static Charge
Haze Sleep Dagger
Paradox Kinetic Carbine

Turns out there are a bunch of abilities that provide hard CC effects that temporarily remove player agency as base skills in their kit.

 

[MrV]

1. Mirage only roots, not stuns (similarly to warden 3rd skill). Target can still shoot and use items in mirage skill
2. Mirage has to put himself into a bad position forward, in most team fights he will die if he does this.
3. Mirage is not a late game carry, wraith is, she deals much more dps.
4. Mirage has to physically target the skills, aim. Wraith does not.
5. Wraith ult runs through walls after target, not the case for Mirage.
6. Mirage does not have a proper escape (his ult doesnt count because it channels 4s and require an actual target to do that to) hence his only hope is to be offensive in team fight and kill more people before he dies. Wraith literary has the BEST escape in the game.

Remember guys, when looking at certain skills, you have to look on the entire hero overall. This is not CS GO where each person has basic health and can just chose weapons himself, each hero has an actual kit you have to work with.

That said, Mirage is a decent team hero, I would call him a mid game carry, similarly to pocket.

 

[Katchu]

Mirage levitation skill when maxed out has a cooldown of 18s without any items and is able to levitate the enemy for 2s, while wraith ultimate that does pretty much the same thing has a cooldown of 67 seconds when maxed out but the player stays on the air only for 1.75s, I don't think that this is fair cause if you are in a team fight and gets levitated by mirage is totally over for you

Mirage roots, wraith stuns.
Also Wraith ult is uncacelable while Mirage roots is.

Wraith ult 10x more broken.

 

[Ragnaman]

Stun or not who cares, you are a stationary target, and in a game where stationary means death, it is a better wraith ult.

 

[w740f5mvu]

True, they should buff wraith ult to 6 seconds

yes, it only makes sense that wraith players should auto-win duels. they are good players, and good players should win

 

[w740f5mvu]

Stun or not who cares, you are a stationary target, and in a game where stationary means death, it is a better wraith ult.

sister, your metal skin? your colossus? unstoppable? your basic bullet resist?