Another coms ban (didn't say a single negative or bad word)

[T00NCES]

Do you know what a logarithmic progression is? Don't you think that if people report now, they want to avoid big problems in the future, if it can be abused. As you confirmed, then it means it's a mistake, it shouldn't be and it should be fixed, I'll explain to you again, you can write nothing in the chat and get reports from an evil ally or enemy and get a ban, it's unfair and not sporting, as they like to say here, because gg ez is not sporting, but giving a report just like that, that's different for us? People who use the most terrible words remain unblocked, because in their game people were too lazy to send a report on him, and he continues to play toxically.

I never denied that I received the first mute for 3 days fairly, I allowed myself to use rude words towards 2 players who decided to test new heroes for them in a ranked game at Phantom 6 ranks, and not in public. I accepted this punishment and sat in the ban for 3 days fairly, but when after that I played 2 games silently, without chat, without swearing, I get a ban for 7 days.

Okay, let's entertain this. Where is your proof or source that you can be banned without saying anything? How do you know it's not simply an accumulation of reports?

For example, how do we know that it's the immediate game before a chat restriction that results in the current penalty? What if you get reported, and the system takes a few hours or days to actually impose a chat restriction? Meanwhile, you have multiple other pending reports. Then, when you come back, it implements the next pending restriction, leading you to think it was the previous match where you simply pinged a target. We really have no idea how the system works currently beyond speculation.

I could see something like this causing a problem. Say multiple people report you for the same thing, and the first three reports trigger the restriction, and then the next three stack on top of that. I don't know; I would imagine that as a potential bug.

I'm not saying the system is perfect; I'm not saying what is happening to you is all right. I'm simply saying we don't know what we don't know but the common denominators are repeat accounts.

 

[voidworth]

Okay, let's entertain this. Where is your proof or source that you can be banned without saying anything? How do you know it's not simply an accumulation of reports?

For example, how do we know that it's the immediate game before a chat restriction that results in the current penalty? What if you get reported, and the system takes a few hours or days to actually impose a chat restriction? Meanwhile, you have multiple other pending reports. Then, when you come back, it implements the next pending restriction, leading you to think it was the previous match where you simply pinged a target. We really have no idea how the system works currently beyond speculation.

I could see something like this causing a problem. Say multiple people report you for the same thing, and the first three reports trigger the restriction, and then the next three stack on top of that. I don't know; I would imagine that as a potential bug.

I'm not saying the system is perfect; I'm not saying what is happening to you is all right. I'm simply saying we don't know what we don't know but the common denominators are repeat accounts.

some people put their match ID for us to review a few days ago and they said 0 words and types 0 words but got 4 days coms ban.

 

[Valvification]

Okay, let's entertain this. Where is your proof or source that you can be banned without saying anything? How do you know it's not simply an accumulation of reports?

For example, how do we know that it's the immediate game before a chat restriction that results in the current penalty? What if you get reported, and the system takes a few hours or days to actually impose a chat restriction? Meanwhile, you have multiple other pending reports. Then, when you come back, it implements the next pending restriction, leading you to think it was the previous match where you simply pinged a target. We really have no idea how the system works currently beyond speculation.

I could see something like this causing a problem. Say multiple people report you for the same thing, and the first three reports trigger the restriction, and then the next three stack on top of that. I don't know; I would imagine that as a potential bug.

I'm not saying the system is perfect; I'm not saying what is happening to you is all right. I'm simply saying we don't know what we don't know but the common denominators are repeat accounts.

Sounds logical, so according to you, I could for example play 3 games, get 3 reports in each, the system checked 1 game, gave me a ban, after the ban the system checked the next 3, I got banned again, then after the second ban the system will check the next 3 reports and I get banned again. This sounds logical to me, but it is illogical if it works like that.

 

[Valvification]

Okay, let's entertain this. Where is your proof or source that you can be banned without saying anything? How do you know it's not simply an accumulation of reports?

For example, how do we know that it's the immediate game before a chat restriction that results in the current penalty? What if you get reported, and the system takes a few hours or days to actually impose a chat restriction? Meanwhile, you have multiple other pending reports. Then, when you come back, it implements the next pending restriction, leading you to think it was the previous match where you simply pinged a target. We really have no idea how the system works currently beyond speculation.

I could see something like this causing a problem. Say multiple people report you for the same thing, and the first three reports trigger the restriction, and then the next three stack on top of that. I don't know; I would imagine that as a potential bug.

I'm not saying the system is perfect; I'm not saying what is happening to you is all right. I'm simply saying we don't know what we don't know but the common denominators are repeat accounts.

In fact, in order for all people to stop creating these topics, the developers need to make a statement about this, so that once and for all you understand what you can’t do and what you can do, since now you are like a blind cat who is afraid to take a step in the game.

 

[voidworth]

Sounds logical, so according to you, I could for example play 3 games, get 3 reports in each, the system checked 1 game, gave me a ban, after the ban the system checked the next 3, I got banned again, then after the second ban the system will check the next 3 reports and I get banned again. This sounds logical to me, but it is illogical if it works like that.

i just think they google "report system" and clicked on the first one

maybe later when the game gets more complete they will start having a support for it. And when they start to make money from the game they will design a better report system. i hope?

 

[T00NCES]

if ggez is hurtful people need THERAPY. I feel so sad for those people. I wish them a happier life.

if you ever had friends or played sport or other games that type of banter is very normal among humans. But people are just sitting alone crying over nothing these days becuase they are so weak from just sitting and crying all day.

Perceptions of harassment are subjective. People see and feel things differently; any decent human understands that.

Saying something solely to provoke a negative emotional response, regardless of what was actually said, is just a thing immature people do.

 

[Valvification]

i just think they google "report system" and clicked on the first one

maybe later when the game gets more complete they will start having a support for it. And when they start to make money from the game they will design a better report system. i hope?

Yes, so now we can only wait for an answer and a solution to the problem, or a revision of the complaint system, as it was done in Dota, when your integrity decreases and you play with people who are toxic like you, the lower the integrity, the higher the chance of blocking, since people tend to change and realize their mistakes, constant blocking for 7 days will not change the situation.

 

[Valvification]

Commends have been added to the game, but they don't give anything except numbers in the profile now. In Dota, for every commend you get a + to your integrity, for a report you get a big -

 

[T00NCES]

Sounds logical, so according to you, I could for example play 3 games, get 3 reports in each, the system checked 1 game, gave me a ban, after the ban the system checked the next 3, I got banned again, then after the second ban the system will check the next 3 reports and I get banned again. This sounds logical to me, but it is illogical if it works like that.

Well, it's possible. Think about how crime and punishment work in the real world.

If you commit a string of crimes and get caught for one, you go to prison.
If, while in prison, you're found guilty of another, you receive a pending incarceration.
Then you serve out your sentence and immediately begin your next prison term.

Probably overkill for a game and nothing more than a theory at the moment.

 

[voidworth]

Perceptions of harassment are subjective. People see and feel things differently; any decent human understands that.

Saying something solely to provoke a negative emotional response, regardless of what was actually said, is just a thing immature people do.

it is normal human behaviour to banter amongs other participants while doing competitive activites.
To demand that the entire world cater to your emotions is a very new thing and should not be humored.

Like i said before. I can chose to be hurt emotionally because you dont like my comments. Is this grounds for report? No of course not that is
ridiculous. Just like me getting banned for saying ggez. Ridiculous.

Commends have been added to the game, but they don't give anything except numbers in the profile now. In Dota, for every commend you get a + to your integrity, for a report you get a big -

i get 4-5 commends every game but when i look at "all heroes" i have 0. On my main i have 50+

 

[fkmmarr]

if ggez is hurtful people need THERAPY. I feel so sad for those people. I wish them a happier life.

if you ever had friends or played sport or other games that type of banter is very normal among humans. But people are just sitting alone crying over nothing these days becuase they are so weak from just sitting and crying all day.

The issue is that "ggez" is inflammatory. Just say "gg". The "ez" part only exists to insult the opponent and degrade their performance. Of course, if you are being demeaning, people will report you.

 

[decrazy1]

You know, I don't think this is as big of a problem as people are making it out to be. I see the same 10 to 15 (ish) people posting the same topic over and over. It's always the same story:

• 'I got banned and I'm totally innocent.'
• 'Well... I did [insert thing they did].'

Then...

• 'But you can do this in [insert other game/situation].'

Is the system abusable? Yes. Are there false reports? Yes. Is it being abused to the extent you're all making it out to be? I doubt it (just my personal opinion). You have a handful of folks on the forums with this problem out of around 50,000 active players. Let's be liberal with the numbers and say there are 30 people here complaining about this. Out of 50,000, that represents roughly 0.0006% of the player base.

Here are some tips:

• Don't rage at your team.
• Don't insult the enemy.
• Don't attempt to tilt anyone by trash-talking.
• If you get emotional playing the game, step away for a minute.
• Just play the game.
• If you get banned, maybe find some literature to read while you wait it out.

Why is it always the same repeat offenders with these issues?

One change I do wish they would implement is at least telling players what caused the ban. They have the data, so just send a notification to a player when they are chat-restricted saying, 'You are banned from chat because [insert action they did].'

my problem is the people who actually need to be banned arent getting banned while those who are playing proper get punished

 

[T00NCES]

it is normal human behaviour to banter amongs other participants while doing competitive activites.
To demand that the entire world cater to your emotions is a very new thing and should not be humored.

Like i said before. I can chose to be hurt emotionally because you dont like my comments. Is this grounds for report? No of course not that is
ridiculous. Just like me getting banned for saying ggez. Ridiculous.

Among friends and close colleagues, sure, not strangers. Do I personally care if someone drops a "gg ez" or other trash talk in the game? Not at all. I smile and laugh it off. I survived the days of Halo Xbox voice lobbies and developed a thick skin over years of multiplayer gaming. But here is one thing I have come to realize...

That is not how the rest of the world works, and it's not a new concept. In the workplace, for example (yes, I know this is not work), if I say anything that another perceives as harassment, I am held liable for how they perceive it, and a report is put on my employment record. Is this right? That is debatable, and in my personal opinion, no. But it is how the world works. So in the year 2024, just be respectful of strangers and be kind.

 

[HyperNT]

welcome, i gotta wait 7 days cuz this has already happened back2back times, i deserved the first mute for 24 hours, the next one i didnt use any bad language got a 3 day, played 2 games yesterday without talking (to prevent getting muted), got muted after the 2nd game for 7 days, posted my match ID's and nothing, when the system is more toxic than anything the players are doing or saying, its pretty sad if this is what the expectations are going forward for this game.

 

[CamperTR]

Okay, let's entertain this. Where is your proof or source that you can be banned without saying anything? How do you know it's not simply an accumulation of reports?

For example, how do we know that it's the immediate game before a chat restriction that results in the current penalty? What if you get reported, and the system takes a few hours or days to actually impose a chat restriction? Meanwhile, you have multiple other pending reports. Then, when you come back, it implements the next pending restriction, leading you to think it was the previous match where you simply pinged a target. We really have no idea how the system works currently beyond speculation.

I could see something like this causing a problem. Say multiple people report you for the same thing, and the first three reports trigger the restriction, and then the next three stack on top of that. I don't know; I would imagine that as a potential bug.

I'm not saying the system is perfect; I'm not saying what is happening to you is all right. I'm simply saying we don't know what we don't know but the common denominators are repeat accounts.

I was unbanned, played 2 games without saying a single negative thing (because i actually want to play ranked) yet i am banned again for a week. Is this enough proof? How many reports could i have accumulated within 2 games? It is clearly reactionary to the last match and it is certainly automated because this is just straight unfair, unmoderated, mass spam ban.

Matchid 25798895

 

[voidworth]

I was unbanned, played 2 games without saying a single negative thing (because i actually want to play ranked) yet i am banned again for a week. Is this enough proof? How many reports could i have accumulated within 2 games? It is clearly reactionary to the last match and it is certainly automated because this is just straight unfair, unmoderated, mass spam ban.

Matchid 25798895

people who lose just throws reports out there to make them feel better. And its very effective.

 

[CamperTR]

people who lose just throws reports out there to make them feel better. And its very effective.

The worst thing is knowing it's a false ban and having to just wait it out, it just brings down the mood. I've left the work early today to play some ranked since i am unbanned today and i just got banned after 2 games. I genuinely hate this so much, entire day wasted for no reason...

 

[Valvification]

Well, it's possible. Think about how crime and punishment work in the real world.

If you commit a string of crimes and get caught for one, you go to prison.
If, while in prison, you're found guilty of another, you receive a pending incarceration.
Then you serve out your sentence and immediately begin your next prison term.

Probably overkill for a game and nothing more than a theory at the moment.

Thank you for adequately and comprehensively answering people, not giving in to emotions and with a clear head you can explain your thoughts. We hope for a quick notification from the developers about this system. All the best to you. From now on I think there is no point for me to write in these topics, since we realized that without an official release, discussing something is the same as talking into thin air.

 

[cyberwolf757]

This happened to me, I got comm banned once before for calling someone dumb in one game, which sure, I guess that deserves a ban. Though if you ask me, getting banned for 1 game is just insane. Regardless, say I did deserve the ban for that 1 game. I waited out the 48 hours that I got voice comm banned for, I played 2 games in ranked LITERALLY not saying ANYTHING into the mic, other than typing "lets take mid" "Defend purple pls" etc. And I got banned after 2 games. I on PURPOSE avoided saying anything even REMOTELY close to be considered offensive, yet got banned. So surely it has nothing to do with being banned for actual offenses, and just a system where if you get banned once, your threshold for reports probably becomes so small that it takes some kids rage reporting you because they lost, and you get autobanned for no reason. Stop defending a system that clearly censors someone saying ggez. If you think people should be banned for saying that, and if this game legit bans for that, and continues to, than I just simply won't play it.

I don't want to be part of a community that caters to censoring ggez. That's absurd. Or a report system where you get auto banned based on report amounts. That is also absurd. Until Valve releases an official statement of what is bannable and what isn't, people will keep complaining. Especially coming from games like CS and Dota 2, where you can say a lot, before you're even close to being banned. Expecting people in a competitive setting to not banter is crazy.

 

[Khanzy]

This happened to me, I got comm banned once before for calling someone dumb in one game, which sure, I guess that deserves a ban. Though if you ask me, getting banned for 1 game is just insane. Regardless, say I did deserve the ban for that 1 game. I waited out the 48 hours that I got voice comm banned for, I played 2 games in ranked LITERALLY not saying ANYTHING into the mic, other than typing "lets take mid" "Defend purple pls" etc. And I got banned after 2 games. I on PURPOSE avoided saying anything even REMOTELY close to be considered offensive, yet got banned. So surely it has nothing to do with being banned for actual offenses, and just a system where if you get banned once, your threshold for reports probably becomes so small that it takes some kids rage reporting you because they lost, and you get autobanned for no reason. Stop defending a system that clearly censors someone saying ggez. If you think people should be banned for saying that, and if this game legit bans for that, and continues to, than I just simply won't play it.

I don't want to be part of a community that caters to censoring ggez. That's absurd. Or a report system where you get auto banned based on report amounts. That is also absurd. Until Valve releases an official statement of what is bannable and what isn't, people will keep complaining. Especially coming from games like CS and Dota 2, where you can say a lot, before you're even close to being banned. Expecting people in a competitive setting to not banter is crazy.

Yeah like when someone says stuff like ez it just motivates me to play to win so I can gloat back when I win the game. Never thought about reporting for it. Sure it's rude kinda but it just makes it more fun to humble people like that.