Sinclair and Compress Cooldown

[maianaise]

I was doing some testing recently to see how short sinclairs cooldowns are compared to the original ult (which is absurd how short they can be but thats another matter)
In my testing I also testing all 3 main cooldown items, compress cooldown imbued on the ult, superior cooldown and transcendant cooldown.
In my testing I found the compress cooldown imbued on the ult has NO effect at all. The cooldown is exactly the same as the standard cooldown, when it should definitely be reduced.
Attached is my recordings of the adjusted cooldowns for each stage. Which I plan to use to discuss at a later date how powerful Sinclairs Audience participation cooldown is.

 

[SylverShot]

This is a part of a larger issue of the ult not being affected by any imbue, which is definitely not intentional as the option to imbue it would be grayed out

 

[maianaise]

I have also noticed after this post that certain imbues that occur on it do not work. Particularly ones that work from the result/the damage or after it has finished - in the case of mystic reverb and cooldown respectively. Mercurial Magnum and Quicksilver, not that anyone would typically imbue it, do partially work (the reload part at least) - Would need to test more to verify, but yes the imbues in general seem to be wonky.

 

[SylverShot]

I have also noticed after this post that certain imbues that occur on it do not work. Particularly ones that work from the result/the damage or after it has finished - in the case of mystic reverb and cooldown respectively. Mercurial Magnum and Quicksilver, not that anyone would typically imbue it, do partially work (the reload part at least) - Would need to test more to verify, but yes the imbues in general seem to be wonky.

the reloads work because they proc when the copy is activated, not when the copied ult is used, I again dont think this is intentional.

 

[maianaise]

Yeah I don't think its intentional, just how it interacts with the ability, as it changes to another ability for the duration, thus I imagine/I'm guessing it overrides/doesn't acknowledge the imbues the original ability has.
Which is unfortunate as the ability to imbue Sinclairs Ult would definitely be appreciated, although most people I imagine wouldn't imbue it at all beyond the compress cooldown which doesn't work properly to affect the cooldown until its upgraded to superior cooldown. (making it a useless purchase on the ultimate until you get superior cooldown, and better to imbue on something else before you can get the upgrade)

List of All (Standard, not legendary/brawl) Imbues and their Interactions (Loosely tested)

Ballistic Enchantment - Does not work.
Mystic Expansion - Does not work
Duration Extender - Does not work fully. It seems to effect how long you can hold the copied ult for before it expires, however it does not seem to effect how long the duration of ult effects lasts. Ie: Stun from Abrams ult does not last longer from extender.
Surge of Power - Does not work fully.
175 Abrams ult damage with surge of power, compared to 119 dmg with mystic expansion for equivalent spirit investment. 119 dmg sinclair copy, Sinclair gets the movement and fire rate effects, however not the damage increase from imbued spirit power.
Mystic Reverb - Does not work.
Compress Cooldown - Does not work
Quicksilver Reload - Does not work fully. The Reload works. However when doing damage with the ult, there is no extra damage.
Abrams deals 146 Damage using his ult with no upgrades and the only item being Quick Silver Reload, a 1.6k investment. He does 101 Damage using his ult if he has different spirit items (in my test case, ones that dont increase spirit from the item specifically like extra spirit but do increase investment - so 1.6k investment via mystic regen and spirit strike)
And Sinclair-Abrams ult deals 101 damage with Quick Silver Reload.
Mercurial Magnum - Same case: The Reload effect and bonus spirit damage on bullets does work, however the extra damage on the ult does not. 180 base for Abrams and then 247 total with the bonus damage added. Whereas it stays at 180 base for Sinclair.

With the Imbued Legendary items of Brawl, I remember someone trying frostbite charm on ult and it didn't work. Quick test shows it doesn't work. The other imbueable legendary, omnicharge pendant does not imbue on ultimate.

 

[steventheeven3]

Btw all of these are explained by the fact that you imbue Sinclair's ultimate and not the copied ultimate.

Like the "Steal an ult" part, that's sinclair ultimate, you imbue that.

If you copy an ultimate but don't cast it, sinclair will instead put their ult on their own cooldown. Which is 85s, reduced to 70s with compress cooldown.

Is this a bug? probably, hard to say. It's most likely just a bit tough to code without breaking other stuff.

 

[SylverShot]

I understand that it imbues the initial ult but in the case of mystic reverb or other imbues where it literally does nothing it should either;

A. Not let you imbue the ult and explain in the tooltip that the copies don't inherit the imbue

Or

B. Have the imbues carry over (this is the preferred outcome as a Sinclair main)

Hopefully this is a bit more concise when Sinclair finally gets their rework/remodel

 

[ReportingBugs]

I understand that it imbues the initial ult but in the case of mystic reverb or other imbues where it literally does nothing it should either;

A. Not let you imbue the ult and explain in the tooltip that the copies don't inherit the imbue

Or

B. Have the imbues carry over (this is the preferred outcome as a Sinclair main)

Hopefully this is a bit more concise when Sinclair finally gets their rework/remodel

The point of compress cooldown is to include the whole aspect of the ability. So B makes the most logical sense.