Rank stuck on initiate 2 (VALVE FIX THIS PLEASE)

Snowyy said:
basic answer, that guy is bullshitting you, its not a flag or anything, getting out of initiate 2 after being stuck there for 500 games has been done and will be done again. Case and point, i've done it. what actually seems to be happening right now is that the game still thinks initiate 1 is a thing (its no longer a rank you can get), so it tries to rank you down from initiate 2, but it cant, so you keep accumulating negative MMR, once thats done, as any game with an MMR system, you're just gonna have to win A LOT to get back up. the bigger the win streak and the better your stats, the faster youll rank up... however... some stats are weighted more than others so some characters have an easier time ranking up... which ones? for a solo player, NONE. its entirely up to rather or not you get the bastards going 0-12 within 15min or not... or if you're that guy, then your rank is deserved. for a duo/group player, pretty much any support as long as youre hitting objective a lot, bonus points if youre kill stealing... cause ofc it would give more points... dont be that guy tho... seriously. bonus point if youre actually hitting enemies and, obviously youll have decent healing cause youre support so bonus point there too.

anyways, yes, you can get out of initiate 2, no it is not a flag, its a bug. negative mmr should not be a thing. idk why they removed initiate 1, i wasnt there, but its not a thing in the game anymore, initiate 2 is the lowest you can be.


(autistic rambling below... sorry, you can skip this, just know im not trying to be an asshole or anything... but getting out is doable, proof above on one of my older replies from when the win streak started about a week ago... tho those 3 matches that got me back out of initiate 2 were solo tbf, previous win streak before that was very big idk how many wins in a row exactly it took tho.)


is initiate still absolute hell as a solo player? YES... is the matchmaking for initiate specifically pretty much the worse in the entire game on any rank? YES... is it entirely because of how the matchmaking is setup? YES. would the game get as big of an audiance as it could with all this in mind? NO. its a great game, but with how frustrated i was getting back in initiate 2 at how i had like 4-5 kills and no deaths while 2, 3, sometimes even 4 of my teammates went 0-10 within 15min... i cant see someone without my kind of patience and time enjoying the game long term, especially if you've been higher ranks in other MOBAs, have been good at shooter games and have already learnt to minmax, get around the map and optimize your damage/sustain... yea... i think youre ready for the next rank bracket... it was just dumb being stuck at the very bottom while doing consistently well but not being able to 1v11...

as for how i got out, i half stopped playing solo, thats how, got my gf to join me (she's better than me at everything ever, not that im bad, she's just that good) got my ass absolutely carried within a week of her starting (exaggerating a bit... took longer than that but we did start winning a lot more within a week) and finally broke the curse after a casual 18 win streak... its "all" it took... now im in seeker, ranking up is hella hard and im doing way worse (not "bad" mind you, just worse) cause im conditioned to playing with brain dead people in initiate... seeker is slightly less brain dead... as for her, she's way higher rank, so when we play together, the game meets about in the middle... is this fair for anyone? no... not really and i now can see why initiate is so awful... just happy to be out of it atm...
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How am I bullshiting?

Its a known fact that Dota 2 have account flag which changes upon the negative behaviour history such as LowPrioGames, Muted history etc with grading system even the most recent popular r/dota 2 subreddit thread experiment on behaviour score forgot to account for such Account flag variable which changes the type of matchmaking players you get and the behaviour score conditions otherwise the answer would've been obvious for them

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Matchmaking search for account flag its documented

I've noticed certain accounts of mine have worse or better game experience depending on number of negative behaviours difference between 0 or 1, >1, >10 negative history
It is the same system for previous Dota 2 game
it is part of match making because the match maker have to rely on some form of metrics and stats to match players and surely account flag is important metric which has been previously used in Dota 2 for eg



The fact that you've wrote this long rant to excuse matchmaking tells me something is suspicious
 
testingdeadlocks said:
How am I bullshiting?

Its a known fact that Dota 2 have account flag which changes upon the negative behaviour history such as LowPrioGames, Muted history etc with grading system even the most recent popular r/dota 2 subreddit thread experiment on behaviour score forgot to account for such Account flag variable which changes the type of matchmaking players you get and the behaviour score conditions otherwise the answer would've been obvious for them

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Matchmaking search for account flag its documented

I've noticed certain accounts of mine have worse or better game experience depending on number of negative behaviours difference between 0 or 1, >1, >10 negative history
It is the same system for previous Dota 2 game
it is part of match making because the match maker have to rely on some form of metrics and stats to match players and surely account flag is important metric which has been previously used in Dota 2 for eg



The fact that you've wrote this long rant to excuse matchmaking tells me something is suspicious
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The link you provided literally states that there's no known effect on matchmaking. Your entire argument about account flags is just speculation.
 
gibnewitems said:
The link you provided literally states that there's no known effect on matchmaking. Your entire argument about account flags is just speculation.
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Account flag is not speculation
Please read the article carefully and properly

"The account flags supposedly determine in which matchmaking pool a player should be, independently of their mmr and behavior score."
Any variable that influences or determine matchmaking pool is relevant to matchmaking

Lower rank account flag are never going to meet higher rank account flag players its simply not possible due to how the matchmaking pool on account flag works
 
testingdeadlocks said:
Account flag is not speculation
Please read the article carefully and properly

"The account flags supposedly determine in which matchmaking pool a player should be, independently of their mmr and behavior score."
Any variable that influences or determine matchmaking pool is relevant to matchmaking

Lower rank account flag are never going to meet higher rank account flag players its simply not possible due to how the matchmaking pool on account flag works
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"supposedly"
"supposedly"
"supposedly"

Like I said, speculation.
 
Southpa said:
as several people have posted already, there is a weird bug in ranking where some players get stuck on initiate 2 specifically. I'm one of those players and I'm making another post so valve can pay attention to this annoying ass bug. I have 150+ hours in the game and a 50% win rate. The thing is, my rank does not move- it does not go up or even DOWN. My friends with less than half my play time and less skill are ranking up and down, while I'm stuck in initiate 2, it's genuinely insufferable to check my rank after every match- win or lose- mvp or not, and absolutely NOTHING changes. It's not fair and it makes the game less fun. And before you reply that ranks aren't everything and that it doesnt even matter or it isnt accurate- we know, that's not the point, it's a part of the game that makes it more competitive and enjoyable, not to mention it affects ur mmr and WHAT LOBBIES U R PLACED IN. VALVE PLEASE FIX THIS. i have a feeling it has to do with the fact my friends played the game a little earlier than me before the mmr update, which either way is bs and shouldnt be the case. either way, many people have complained about this with valve not giving a shit, please look into this.

Update: i will post on my feed updates on my rank and if the issue is fixed, initiate 2 hostages i will not give up on us
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I am also facing the same issue, literally my frnds say they are ranking up or down but i see no change in my rank , its like it just froze
 
Southpa said:
as several people have posted already, there is a weird bug in ranking where some players get stuck on initiate 2 specifically. I'm one of those players and I'm making another post so valve can pay attention to this annoying ass bug. I have 150+ hours in the game and a 50% win rate. The thing is, my rank does not move- it does not go up or even DOWN. My friends with less than half my play time and less skill are ranking up and down, while I'm stuck in initiate 2, it's genuinely insufferable to check my rank after every match- win or lose- mvp or not, and absolutely NOTHING changes. It's not fair and it makes the game less fun. And before you reply that ranks aren't everything and that it doesnt even matter or it isnt accurate- we know, that's not the point, it's a part of the game that makes it more competitive and enjoyable, not to mention it affects ur mmr and WHAT LOBBIES U R PLACED IN. VALVE PLEASE FIX THIS. i have a feeling it has to do with the fact my friends played the game a little earlier than me before the mmr update, which either way is bs and shouldnt be the case. either way, many people have complained about this with valve not giving a shit, please look into this.

Update: i will post on my feed updates on my rank and if the issue is fixed, initiate 2 hostages i will not give up on us
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Tbh If you have good enough micro/macro you can carry these lobbies with absolutely no issue every single game. Its also hard to even gauge if you belong in a higher rank because we cant see how well you play or how many games you win/lose. If you had initially placed initiate from the start and your're on a 50% win rate like you say, then its apparent that's the reason youre there.
 
"The best skill rating system is the chess Elo."


The Elo rating system is a method used to calculate the relative skill levels of players in two-player games such as chess. It is based on the idea that the difference in ratings between two players indicates the expected outcome of a match. The system works by adjusting a player's rating after each game depending on whether they win, lose, or draw, and the rating of their opponent. A player who wins against a higher-rated opponent gains more points than if they defeat a lower-rated one. Conversely, a player who loses to a lower-rated opponent loses more points. The Elo system is widely regarded as a fair and accurate way to rank players in competitive environments.
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testingdeadlocks said:
How am I bullshiting?

Its a known fact that Dota 2 have account flag which changes upon the negative behaviour history such as LowPrioGames, Muted history etc with grading system even the most recent popular r/dota 2 subreddit thread experiment on behaviour score forgot to account for such Account flag variable which changes the type of matchmaking players you get and the behaviour score conditions otherwise the answer would've been obvious for them

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Matchmaking search for account flag its documented

I've noticed certain accounts of mine have worse or better game experience depending on number of negative behaviours difference between 0 or 1, >1, >10 negative history
It is the same system for previous Dota 2 game
it is part of match making because the match maker have to rely on some form of metrics and stats to match players and surely account flag is important metric which has been previously used in Dota 2 for eg



The fact that you've wrote this long rant to excuse matchmaking tells me something is suspicious
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this is not dota2... who said theyre using the EXACT same system? Nobody who's actually WORKED ON THE GAME. your proof is basically "read this article about an entirely different game" thats not proof... find REAL TRUSTWORTHY proof and maybe ill take it back, until then, this is bullshit, not proof.

just cause its another valve game, doesnt mean they used the same EXACT system... lots of their games work differently...
 
Snowyy said:
yea... except its not even for the right game to begin with... so like... what he said is entirely just misinformation/speculation and he's still not backing down after being called out so many times.
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Still the ranked system is very iffy. They just added one trick stats to statslocker and there are people with 45% winrate in phantom/oracle and people in iniate/seeker with 50-60% winrates with similar amount of games played and about 80% of the games played on the same character. I know that website ain't perfect and its a rough estimation of stats, but still. It is some proof that there are strange things going on with this ranked system.
 
this isnt a bug its a feature of the ranking system which is based only on wins and nothing on skill

coin flip if your 5 other team mates are good.

even if you are terrible at the game you should average 50/50 losses because of how many team mates you have.

I assume the system is a placeholder. If not they should just get rid of the ranking system in general because it doesnt work. no player data is taken into account like gun accuracy or K/D or whatever. just wins which is dumb
 
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