Ivy flying Seven during ult

[treemeister710]

Ivy can attach to seven and fly him around during both ultimate. This cant be intentional?

 

[sinlessavi]

some good, good shit right there

 

[d35t1201]

Yup this is really annoying to play against. No counterplay at all.

 

[ArchLinuxFTW]

Yup this is really annoying to play against. No counterplay at all.

No in fact there are 3 characters can stop this

 

[d35t1201]

No in fact there are 3 characters can stop this

Very helpful comment.
/s

If you were familiar with (and actually playing at a top level at) any other competetive game, youd know that this is only **technically** correct.

It is not feasible nor reliable to hit a flying AOE Bird with 250% movement speed with Bebops hook or any other stun for that matter. Especially not during a teamfight, where you are already being stunned and shoved around by other heros.

In fact, this combo is so strong, that playing anything else would decrease your chances of winning significantly. Hence no counterplay.

 

[Sir Gamer]

This trick costs 2 ults at once. So it's kinda balanced. Kinda. Ish.

 

[Mawn]

Imo its acceptable middleground if they make it so that you can fly someone after they cast ult but you should not be able to cast spells while ur grabbed at all

 

[logisnipe]

This trick costs 2 ults at once. So it's kinda balanced. Kinda. Ish.

It's not at all balanced because it means that after 20 min every teamfight Ivy and Seven ult and they win, they're flying around at a fast enough speed that you can't consistently counter it before you just eat shit and die

 

[zool-mail]

repost from another thread about the same topic:

although its a cool interaction it will always be pretty broken. combining it with black hole is also insanely strong.

i think the counterplay should be to damage ivy to make her drop whoever she is carrying. there can be a damage threshold that's x% of her max health which is visible on her health bar and when she drops the hero because of damage they get stunned/interrupted.

 

[tvdushman]

nerf this shit ASAP

 

[thegreatarchitect]

Guys there are items in this game that can be bought on any character: knockdown and curse. Absolutely enough to stop this madness.

 

[faecterr]

Knockdown looks like a viable choice against 7 in most games (even without Ivy on their team) with a long cast range. It is something you consider to buy, once you see the draft.

 

[tvdushman]

^ those guys are probably abusing it with their e-boyfriends

 

[faecterr]

Had to play against it a few times, and had to think how to counter it. 3k investment counters 2 ultimates at once, until seven buys Unstoppable, which is rare. Also useful against other channeled ultimates, when 7's is on CD, so it pays off.

 

[tvdushman]

What counter? You off a perc? Its flying above the skies if they are in voice comms and have IQ above 30, you cant even shoot it

 

[alecw155]

Perhaps balance it by reduce Ivy flying speed if she's carrying someone?

 

[Sir Gamer]

Perhaps balance it by reduce Ivy flying speed if she's carrying someone?

But only if the passenger is ulting, please.
I often use Ivy's ult to deliver people to and from the points of interest.
Would she be any slower, this transportation business will go bankrupt, making the ult an overpriced escape method... exactly like it was before the update.

 

[cannolisquid]

Update: New patch silences the hero getting carried by Ivy.

Silence doesn't take someone out of an ult that is actively being used. Ivy Seven combo lives on.
Have your partner ult first and THEN pick-up.

I really hope they don't fully patch it but I figured I'd throw it here.

 

[Lady Briar]

Post in thread 'Ivy Seven combo'

Aug 22, 2024

People will learn to play around it, it honestly isn't that strong. I think some people are attaching how strong it is to a farmed up Seven flying around. If the Seven isn't ahead, especially early, and you try this he will just be gunned down.

THIS ^^^

I play a lot of Ivy, and in one game our Seven asked me to do this combo. I did. Haze instantly slept my ass. ROFL. Like... yeah, its powerful if you can pull it off in the right situation at the right time, but it is SO counterable that it HURTS. The fact that people think it needs a nerf are showing their ignorance of the game...

• Lady Briar

 

[Brassx]

There being a number of counters doesn't make the combo feel any less cheese though. It's pretty unfun to play against plain and simple, regardless of 'counterplay', it feels really unintended to be able to move a stationary ult around with full freedom like that. I have little doubts valve will address it (they already started).

I think ult synergy is cool though, don't get me wrong, I just think maybe a stacked out seven ult being flown around the map for such a long duration isn't great for gameplay - it nearly eliminates the entire 'risk' of using his ult(stationary target) as ivy can just fly you away during it to escape, without you ever having to stop it to run, while offering even more advantages (ivy chasing down targets, moving to better areas after people run to block LoS, etc). It's not as simple as it seems to counter a good duo though and ivy flying around that fast and high up makes it pretty difficult to deal with; Especially when they are working with the rest of their team to all attack you at once...