Feedback for the Brazilian Portuguese hero names

[Aranha]

They should keep the original names instead, translation is cool in overall but sometimes you can be playing with your friends and the name difference could cause some confusion, as for an instance, Haze translates to Bruma, the translation is dope but it sounds nothing like the original. Seven is really close to Sete, hard to get into a misunderstanding for example.

I recall playing for the first time with my friends and trying to figure which character was "Adaga" (Shiv).
Yes, Shiv COULD translate into "Adaga", but is the translation is pretty bland since there is no direct translation of "Shiv" into portuguese, so it should not be done.

And there is the "Correct" translations that just don't directly fit, as "Guardião" (Warden) recalls into something more mystical like an ancient protector, not a police officer.

Viscous/Paradox/Dynamo are alright since the direct translation is basically identical. (Viscoso, Paradoxa, Dínamo)

 

[camilarut]

I agree totally with Aranha. Haze/Seven/Ivy translations are unnecessary and will cause confusion.

I remember when the PT-BR version of WoW came out and they translated everything in literal translation, and while I understand that the intention is to promote acessability, it just causes the contrary.

 

[Hanzinha]

Why is all of your feedback like this:

Apple > Maçã : "Wtf they literally used a translation?!?! Holy smokes. These linguists are insane. Doing regular linguistics work."

it is your first time reading about localizations?
in a multiplayer online game all translations must be accessible to understand the context of everything who should be called in a online match.
Shiv = Adaga. 'wow holy smokes hurr durr regular linguistics' but Haze has a skill which she throws a 'Adaga'. So it can be pretty confusing in a online match.

That's why people are contributing to a better understanding about this localization. And i dont think you are contributing so much doing this.

 

[xymo]

it is your first time reading about localizations?
in a multiplayer online game all translations must be accessible to understand the context of everything who should be called in a online match.
Shiv = Adaga. 'wow holy smokes hurr durr regular linguistics' but Haze has a skill which she throws a 'Adaga'. So it can be pretty confusing in a online match.

That's why people are contributing to a better understanding about this localization. And i dont think you are contributing so much doing this.

I'm not contributing, yes, but the way OP gives feedback is semi-useless. He seems to be surprised that a translation is... a translation?

The names are not set in stone, since it's a pre-alpha, but they have likely been through many cycles of approval. Whoever does localization for Valve can't do much with these comments. You think you know better?

This is coming from someone working with a localization team in one of the biggest marketing companies in the world.

 

[hhSA]

They should keep the original names instead, translation is cool in overall but sometimes you can be playing with your friends and the name difference could cause some confusion, as for an instance, Haze translates to Bruma, the translation is dope but it sounds nothing like the original. Seven is really close to Sete, hard to get into a misunderstanding for example.

I recall playing for the first time with my friends and trying to figure which character was "Adaga" (Shiv).
Yes, Shiv COULD translate into "Adaga", but is the translation is pretty bland since there is no direct translation of "Shiv" into portuguese, so it should not be done.

And there is the "Correct" translations that just don't directly fit, as "Guardião" (Warden) recalls into something more mystical like an ancient protector, not a police officer.

Viscous/Paradox/Dynamo are alright since the direct translation is basically identical. (Viscoso, Paradoxa, Dínamo)

As a Brazilian guy, i agree with everything.

 

[Hanzinha]

I'm not contributing, yes, but the way OP gives feedback is semi-useless. He seems to be surprised that a translation is... a translation?

The names are not set in stone, since it's a pre-alpha, but they have likely been through many cycles of approval. Whoever does localization for Valve can't do much with these comments. You think you know better?

This is coming from someone working with a localization team in one of the biggest marketing companies in the world.

I dont think it is useless - or semi-useless. He is giving his feedback about who is 'good' to do a direct translation and who isnt. And we are trying to keep it in one topic.
Many heroes has more than one translations to portuguese. I dont know about other languages but i think it is the same. Sometimes even a direct translation isnt the most common word to that and sounds weird.
And we are talking about this.

 

[camilarut]

I'm not contributing, yes, but the way OP gives feedback is semi-useless. He seems to be surprised that a translation is... a translation?

The names are not set in stone, since it's a pre-alpha, but they have likely been through many cycles of approval. Whoever does localization for Valve can't do much with these comments. You think you know better?

This is coming from someone working with a localization team in one of the biggest marketing companies in the world.

I'm confused, which is your main language? Why does it matter to you how brazilians are reacting to the translation? I don't understand why you are invalidating our brazilian's feedbacks. Each language has its specifications, uses and costumes, shouldn't you let this topic to be developed by brazilian players - us - and then validated by the dev team, since you don't seem to be part of?

 

[leinadvasq9]

I'm not contributing, yes, but the way OP gives feedback is semi-useless. He seems to be surprised that a translation is... a translation?

The names are not set in stone, since it's a pre-alpha, but they have likely been through many cycles of approval. Whoever does localization for Valve can't do much with these comments. You think you know better?

This is coming from someone working with a localization team in one of the biggest marketing companies in the world.

translating names is stupid, and feels REALLY awkward to talk about the character, and tbh "pocket, haze, ivy" are so much better than "mala, bruma, and hera"

 

[acidente]

Why is all of your feedback like this:

Apple > Maçã : "Wtf they literally used a translation?!?! Holy smokes. These linguists are insane. Doing regular linguistics work."

That's not the feedback from anyone here? Did you read anything in this post?

 

[acidente]

translating names is stupid, and feels REALLY awkward to talk about the character, and tbh "pocket, haze, ivy" are so much better than "mala, bruma, and hera"

I mean, I wouldn't have a huge issue if the game was dubbed in pt-br also, but it doesn't seems as this will be the case. None of the valve games has ptbr dub. It will be strange hearing "haze" and reading the translation.

 

[xymo]

My apologies to everyone in this thread. I did come out as a bit of a d*ckhead with my comments. I am not familiar with the Portuguese Language and its Brazilian variation, and thus I made ignorant insinuations. We can't always agree on everything.

I hope you have a wonderful day, spreading love and positivity from Europe

 

[acidente]

My apologies to everyone in this thread. I did come out as a bit of a d*ckhead with my comments. I am not familiar with the Portuguese Language and its Brazilian variation, and thus I made ignorant insinuations. We can't always agree on everything.

I hope you have a wonderful day, spreading love and positivity from Europe

 

[Mister Robot]

Sobre o Artifact, eu não sabia sobre esse detalhe, pensava que a Valve continuava mantendo os nomes em inglês. Em relação aos nomes dos personagens, é algo bem complicado de se dizer, cada caso é um caso, mas como eu disse "Caso não seja inviável retornar os nomes para o inglês americano, recomendaria deixar uma nota de rodapé com o nome original do personagem embaixo do nome do personagem que foi adaptado como uma forma de orientação entre os idiomas.", e essa recomendação eu daria para o seu exemplo do deus Marte, ex.:

Marte​

Nome do personagem em inglês: Mars

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Em relação ao Walker, acho que varia de pessoa pra pessoa a tradução do Walker, quando eu estava traduzindo a versão não oficial do jogo, já li muitas pessoas recomendando vários nomes (Andador, Andante, Andarilho, Vagante, etc...). Sem uma lore mais aprofundado da criatura, é bem difícil bater o martelo e dizer qual será o nome dele. No seu caso, quando eu estava traduzindo a versão não oficial da tradução do jogo, já ouvi várias pessoas falando que Andarilho não seria bom, pois passaria a ideia de que essa criatura iria se deslocar sem rumo ao longo do mapa, coisa que a criatura não faz, ela apenas bate no chão com suas pernas para atordoar inimigos, ou dá alguns pequenos passos para conseguir acertar o seu raio em algum alvo inimigo, caso ela mate ou o inimigo fique fora do seu campo de visão, ela volta para o mesmo local que ela estava inicialmente.

Aqui um bom exemplo em jogo do que poderia ser feito (atenção! Eu editei a tradução oficial pt-br, a implementação que fiz a seguir não é oficial):

 

[bar italia]

I think a lot of the names are pretty good (Chico is a banger), but I'll echo what others said about the alienating aspect of it. Other than simple stuff (Lady Geist -> Sra. Geist would be fine), most characters should keep their names -- even if some little jokes are lost in the process.

So nothing like Adaga, Bruma, Hera, etc.

I also think all items should keep their original name. That's a bigger issue than any of the character names, imo.

 

[Bearwuff]

I think a lot of the names are pretty good (Chico is a banger), but I'll echo what others said about the alienating aspect of it. Other than simple stuff (Lady Geist -> Sra. Geist would be fine), most characters should keep their names -- even if some little jokes are lost in the process.

So nothing like Adaga, Bruma, Hera, etc.

I also think all items should keep their original name. That's a bigger issue than any of the character names, imo.

chico is indeed a banger of a name but unfortunately i dont see how the names of items being kept wouldnt be a confusing mess. its far too much information and i think that the names of the items are very much suppsoed to convey what they do in this game. theyre very literal for the most part, unlike league for example where they get flavor names like Bloodthirster or Last Breath or whatever. in deadlock we have Rapid Recharge for making your skills charge... rapidly. or headshot booster to boost the damage of your headshots, so on and so forth

 

[sam.louro.monteiro]

Warden -> Guardião: This one is a bit weird, I think just "Guarda" would fit better, more common word which has the same meaning and flows better because it's shorter.

also conflicts with the guardian/tower objectives. he looks like a cop so Guarda fits it better as well i think.

About Pocket: It's pretty hard to choose but 'Mala' is bad for character design. 'Maleiro' fits better.

could not disagree more, pocket is not his name, the point is not to have a real name or beign linked to a profession. he has a suitcase and everything but his cloak revolves around the suitcase. its like a code name. Mala is perfect. its the name he picked so those who are looking for him dont know its him.

I do vouch for same names in the spirit of easy communication and understand mid fight what to do. A clear case where for newer players it help in Dota is some people or communities still using the relic names of their dota allstar versions. I now also use very often terms like bara and naix over sb and ls. also like Mala 1-2 silables is what you would always want to be calling anything to be fast and recognizable. Maleiro is 4 and you're here to play a game not say what he does as a day job

 

[imnotpolar]

They should keep the original names instead, translation is cool in overall but sometimes you can be playing with your friends and the name difference could cause some confusion, as for an instance, Haze translates to Bruma, the translation is dope but it sounds nothing like the original. Seven is really close to Sete, hard to get into a misunderstanding for example.

I recall playing for the first time with my friends and trying to figure which character was "Adaga" (Shiv).
Yes, Shiv COULD translate into "Adaga", but is the translation is pretty bland since there is no direct translation of "Shiv" into portuguese, so it should not be done.

And there is the "Correct" translations that just don't directly fit, as "Guardião" (Warden) recalls into something more mystical like an ancient protector, not a police officer.

Viscous/Paradox/Dynamo are alright since the direct translation is basically identical. (Viscoso, Paradoxa, Dínamo)

As a brazilian myself, i have to agree with @Aranha, games like Valorant and Overwatch don't translate their heroes names, they've done so in order to maintain consistency between communications, i believe that leaving the character's name in english would be a great change, that is because some people just like to use everything in english (myself included) and some prefer to have it on their native language, having the names translated just creates a barrier between teammates, having them in english would greatly improve the user experience

 

[acidente]

As a brazilian myself, i have to agree with @Aranha, games like Valorant and Overwatch don't translate their heroes names, they've done so in order to maintain consistency between communications, i believe that leaving the character's name in english would be a great change, that is because some people just like to use everything in english (myself included) and some prefer to have it on their native language, having the names translated just creates a barrier between teammates, having them in english would greatly improve the user experience

Isn't most of heroes names from overwatch just names? Besides D.va, widow, soldier, lifeweaver? Most of them are just names like Lucio, Ana, Baptiste, Mc Cree.

But Yeah, I agree, I don't think translating heroes names is a good idea at all.

 

[nynephix]

Um ponto importante é: jogando em português você ainda vai ouvir as voicelines em inglês e para quem ainda não decorou os nomes nos dois idiomas até similar o nome em inglês dito na voiceline para o português pode te fazer perder segundos valiosos para tomar uma ação talvez.

Uma ideia não tão radical é adicionar uma opção para usar os nomes originais sem precisar mudar todo o jogo para o inglês

 

[Playeroth]

No caso do Pocket, eu acharia interessante se fosse "Maleiro", é bem melhor do que apenas "Mala"
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fica muito melhor, apesar de eu nao gostar da traducao traduzir nomes achei que ficou legalzinho maleiro.