Rebinding Cancel Issues

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bioa10

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I had decided to rebind cancel as soon as that was an option for me since I've disliked space being cancel for a while. I've noticed several odd interactions from changing the key however. For reference, I changed cancel to E.

Update: All issues seem to be fixed, but feel free to leave a reply if I missed something or it isn't fixed as I thought.

You Can Zipline During Some Abilities
I went through and tested every channel ability I could think of, and 3 characters had the ability to zipline during their channels. Infernus' Flame Dash, Ivy's Air Drop, and Vindicta's Flight.

Edit: As of Build 5,142, Infernus and Ivy can still use the zipline during their respective abilities, however Vindicta was updated so that her Flight uses the jump key to fly up and that prevents zipline use. Grey Talon and Pocket also behave the same as the videos below.

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To add on, some channels allowed you to zipline out of them, but it cancels the ability. Grey Talon's Rain of Arrows and Pocket's Enchanter's Satchel both allow this.

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Pocket's Jump Still Cancels Barrage And Enchanter's Satchel
While testing with pocket, I also noticed that jumping would still cancel those abilities. For Enchanter's Satchel, hitting the cancel key cancels and leaves you where you were, but canceling with jump will have you be mid jump after canceled.

Edit: As of Build 5,142, both abilities are still canceled when you jump. At this point it might just be intentional though.

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Space No Longer Jumps Off Zipline
I didn't really have a good way to show this one on video, but pressing space while on a zipline no longer jumps off the zipline. You need to press the cancel key to jump off. Pressing the crouch key still works as usual though.
Edit: As of Build 5,142, this works fine now as there is no more dedicated cancel key :(.

Edit: As of Build 5,143, this is an issue again with the cancel key option.

Viscous Goo Ball Shows Wrong Jump Key
The Goo Ball shows the cancel key as the key to jump, but space still jumps and double jumps as usual. Pressing cancel does nothing during Goo Ball. Would be cool if when the cancel key and jump key are not the same that cancel would cancel the Goo Ball.

Edit: As of Build 5,142, this is now labeled correctly to the jump key.

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Those are the issues I've found so far, but I'll add on to this thread if I find anything else.
 
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All of these issues still exist after today's patch. The new climbable ropes function properly with crouch and space to jump off, unlike the ziplines which use cancel to jump off.
 
bioa10 said:
All of these issues still exist after today's patch. The new climbable ropes function properly with crouch and space to jump off, unlike the ziplines which use cancel to jump off.
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Their are a lot of post about this, how can we get valve to see it isn't that the point of these fourms lmao
 
Yeah, I want Cancel Ability to be on right mouse click, but it makes jump not work anymore for some reason even though 'SPACE' isn't on Cancel Ability anymore 🤔
 
IvyIsMyWifey said:
Yeah, I want Cancel Ability to be on right mouse click, but it makes jump not work anymore for some reason even though 'SPACE' isn't on Cancel Ability anymore 🤔
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wait you mean jump or jump off ziplines? getting off ziplines is cancel ability.
Also I am very annoyed I have gotten used to using my new key to get off ziplines so If they do change it now it will mess me up
 
I guess I should have looked better before posting, this has been incredibly frustrating with Vindicta's secondary.
Space is instinctively up so it cancelling my ability is incredibly annoying.
 
I just retested all of the above issues. I saw that Yoshi said they were readding the option to have a dedicated cancel key soon, so I'll have to retest after that.

You Can Zipline During Some Abilities
Infernus and Ivy can still zipline during Flame Dash and Air Drop. Vindicta can't use fly on ziplines since her flight now uses jump to go up. May still be an issue when the dedicated cancel key is added back. Grey Talon and Pocket both still function as the original post.

Pocket's Jump Still Cancels Barrage And Enchanter's Satchel
Jumping still cancels out of both abilities, though this may just be intended, it just didn't seem that way when the cancel rebind was first available.

Space No Longer Jumps Off Zipline
Well, since they removed the cancel key, this works fine now. Will test again after it is added back.

Viscous Goo Ball Shows Wrong Jump Key
Similar to above, there is no more cancel key so jump is correctly labeled.
 
Just tested in the new build and the button to jump off the zipline is still the cancel key, not jump. Viscous is still labeled correctly.
 
Sorry, I haven't played much this week. Just tested things again.

You Can Zipline During Some Abilities
Infernus, Ivy, and Vindicta can no longer zipline during their abilities. Grey Talon can no longer go straight from Rain of Arrows to the zipline, however it also seems like it locks out the zipline entirely for him until he touches the ground after the ability. Pocket can still go straight from Enchanter's Satchel to the zipline, though it might be intentional at this point.

Pocket's Jump Still Cancels Barrage And Enchanter's Satchel
I'm not sure if I missed it before or if Enchanter's Satchel's text was updated, but it does say any action cancels it. Barrage is still canceled by jumping, but might also be intentional.

Space No Longer Jumps Off Zipline
Now the jump key or the cancel key work for jumping off the zipline :).

There are some other issues with cancel tooltips and that not abilities can be canceled with the cancel key despite being able to be canceled in general. I'll probably end up making a new thread for that since that is a bit out of scope for this thread.
 
bioa10 said:
Sorry, I haven't played much this week. Just tested things again.

You Can Zipline During Some Abilities
Infernus, Ivy, and Vindicta can no longer zipline during their abilities. Grey Talon can no longer go straight from Rain of Arrows to the zipline, however it also seems like it locks out the zipline entirely for him until he touches the ground after the ability. Pocket can still go straight from Enchanter's Satchel to the zipline, though it might be intentional at this point.

Pocket's Jump Still Cancels Barrage And Enchanter's Satchel
I'm not sure if I missed it before or if Enchanter's Satchel's text was updated, but it does say any action cancels it. Barrage is still canceled by jumping, but might also be intentional.

Space No Longer Jumps Off Zipline
Now the jump key or the cancel key work for jumping off the zipline :).

There are some other issues with cancel tooltips and that not abilities can be canceled with the cancel key despite being able to be canceled in general. I'll probably end up making a new thread for that since that is a bit out of scope for this thread.
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Thanks for this! Valve is doing good work
 
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