Rank is stuck / working in a way I don't understand

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Since I've started playing the game my rank has been Initiate II and hasn't moved since then. Over my last 24 games my winrate has been over 70%, and I feel like something should be happening. The average skill rating of all my games is also Initiate II. I understand the idea of having the ranked system be opaque, it prevents you from watching an elo number like a hawk, and helps people be less toxic to each other and themselves, but I feel like I should have ranked up by now. I've also heard tell of there being a giant chasm of rank at Initiate that I have to climb out of, but, I don't know. Over all my lifetime games my winrate is pretty squarely 50%, but if I'm at the bottom of the rank tiers shouldn't it not work like this? The experience feels like something is broken.
 
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subtle_ghost said:
Since I've started playing the game my rank has been Initiate II and hasn't moved since then. Over my last 24 games my winrate has been over 70%, and I feel like something should be happening. The average skill rating of all my games is also Initiate II. I understand the idea of having the ranked system be opaque, it prevents you from watching an elo number like a hawk, and helps people be less toxic to each other and themselves, but I feel like I should have ranked up by now. I've also heard tell of there being a giant chasm of rank at Initiate that I have to climb out of, but, I don't know. Over all my lifetime games my winrate is pretty squarely 50%, but if I'm at the bottom of the rank tiers shouldn't it not work like this? The experience feels like something is broken.
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Their current system is super unforgiving. My MMR ranges from Low Em to Phantom. But i also constantly get people who obviously dont understand how to play a moba in general or immidiatly say "2nd game on this hero".

So it take s alot of games to go up but only 1 or 2 to losses to go back down. So you make minimal progress if any at all. Especially if you hit a lose streak.
 
The MMR issue is very old and it keeps getting worse and worse. I was stuck in Alchemist 4 for months, then had a loss streak after a patch when a lot of returning players that stomped all lobbies because their actual ranks got decayed so they got put in low elo. This happens every patch because of the returning players combined with the rank decay system which is crap, sorry to say this. So I went from Alchemist to Initiate, it took me 2 months to get to Seeker, then from Seeker idk how I jumped straight back into Alchemist have been stuck there for 3 months and then then the devs updated the ranks so I got put into Emissary, which actualy started to feel good. I climbed from Emissary into Archon and the matches were getting even better, much better than in Initiate or Seeker which tells a lot about how the rank system works, if it works at all. I then dropped from Archon to Emissary because I wanted to try some heroes and the system decided that I need totaly unskilled people in my lobbies. Then after I dropped back into Emissary I went on a 13 matches loss streak which dropped me straight into Arcanist 2, it's like I skipped Ritualist, the system decided that I am Arcanist 2. Christmas Challenge arrived so I started doing that, altough I'm still stuck in Arcanist 2 and my rank has changed only once to Arcanist 1 then back up to Arcanist 2, all my overall matches rank is Alchemist 6, barely Arcanist which makes it impossible to rank up because I get put in lower lobbies so if I win that win doesn't have a high efficiency into ranking me up and if I lose it affects a lot my MMR because I'm losing lobbies lower than my actual rank so that indicates to the matchmaker that I suck even more so ranking down is much more viable than ranking up. It doesn't matter that I carry the team or not, it's the same result at the end.

Many people say that the ranks are just for show, or placeholders. If the ranking system is just for show then why is it even there? To put people into stresfull situations? To make people hate this game because of the constant bad matchmaking? If the developers don't care about the ranks, than why are they ruining the player experience by making matches very unfun. Many times even if I win a game it doesn't feel right because the enemy team is clearly heavily underskilled. Also many days we keep wasting time of our lifes by playing for 50minutes a match that clearly ended in the first 15mins, but we have to stay in the match because otherwise we get punished for abandoning games. If the rank is just for show then why are getting punished for not wanting to be part of a waste of time?

There are a few things that don't add up:

1. Why are there 66 ranks in total and the ranking up system is very slow? It should either be lesser ranks with slow ranking up system, either 66 ranks but with more rapidly ranking up system.
2. Why is the system so quick to punish losses, but so slow to reward winnings?
3. Why is there a hidden hero-based rank?
4. Why player performance doesn't matter, but only wins/losses matter? This contradicts question number 3.
5. Why do they allow us to see ranks (when the system is clearly not working properly) and allow so many players to get mad because of this? I played other MOBAs too and none of them are making players get frustrated so much. That's why the community is already toxic in a game that it's a private playtest.

Please, Valve, either fix ranking system either remove it.

Oh... Did I mention that many many many players have alternate accounts just because of this? This means massive smurfing, which is not allowed from what I can remember. Or is it the fact that many people make alt accounts beneficial to Valve? I know it is financialy beneficial, but I don't think Valve wants to destroy a full playerbase community just for 5$.
 
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Oh... Did I mention that many many many players have alternate accounts just because of this? This means massive smurfing, which is not allowed from what I can remember. Or is it the fact that many people make alt accounts beneficial to Valve? I know it is financialy beneficial, but I don't think Valve wants to destroy a full playerbase community just for 5$.
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That's funny. Valve doesn't care about cheaters and smurfs ruining matches. They are one of the most profitable companies to ever exist. If they cared they would do something.
 
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Ok. So that's why they won't fix MMR?
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they simply don't care. MM fucked since I start playing this game back in June 2024. Hero balance in teams is really awful ( in my recent games i have 3 supports in my team, when OP heroes was in enemy team) Game does not count all variables between heroes, yeah i know there is no strict roles to heroes but some of them just not playeble on some builds, an game don't even try to make at least make it 50-50 chance, game just searching people by their skill on hero do a random draft from their char-pool, and to make game fair it will put you or your mates on less played hero not on their main - which really stupid. Game is really playeble with a Draft system( tournamets proves it) but random hero draft make every single match fully RNG, and mostly its one-side stomp for one team. So MM system don't do much work in making fair matches. Also in recent game enemy Lash leave the game from start bcs he don't wanna play this hero (it was on ASC 4) - and valve don't give a shit about hero system.
Same to anti-cheat, to make it really fun cheats from CS2 works in deadlock perfectly, wallhack & aim have a same system and same spin-bot mechanins since they don't do nothing to CS - which is their most popular games - they will do nothing to deadlock.
Month ago i met a 4 people playing with 1 cheater,and they literally have like 20+ wins in row and cheaters always have like 1 or 2 death and 20+ kills, me & my friends made a report through Discord bot, through forum, and this people already played matches in December with new AC update - even that our topics on forum have views from devs - nothing changed to this people.
So don't wait untill they will start do something, they don't care at all. Their AI Vac Net for 2 years didn't learn nothing for preventing cheats in CS2 so there is no hope for future...
 
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they simply don't care. MM fucked since I start playing this game back in June 2024. Hero balance in teams is really awful ( in my recent games i have 3 supports in my team, when OP heroes was in enemy team) Game does not count all variables between heroes, yeah i know there is no strict roles to heroes but some of them just not playeble on some builds, an game don't even try to make at least make it 50-50 chance, game just searching people by their skill on hero do a random draft from their char-pool, and to make game fair it will put you or your mates on less played hero not on their main - which really stupid. Game is really playeble with a Draft system( tournamets proves it) but random hero draft make every single match fully RNG, and mostly its one-side stomp for one team. So MM system don't do much work in making fair matches. Also in recent game enemy Lash leave the game from start bcs he don't wanna play this hero (it was on ASC 4) - and valve don't give a shit about hero system.
Same to anti-cheat, to make it really fun cheats from CS2 works in deadlock perfectly, wallhack & aim have a same system and same spin-bot mechanins since they don't do nothing to CS - which is their most popular games - they will do nothing to deadlock.
Month ago i met a 4 people playing with 1 cheater,and they literally have like 20+ wins in row and cheaters always have like 1 or 2 death and 20+ kills, me & my friends made a report through Discord bot, through forum, and this people already played matches in December with new AC update - even that our topics on forum have views from devs - nothing changed to this people.
So don't wait untill they will start do something, they don't care at all. Their AI Vac Net for 2 years didn't learn nothing for preventing cheats in CS2 so there is no hope for future...
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The fact that there are more than 10000 people complaining on this forum about MMR should make the devs take this into consideration, because this is the main reason people abandon the game or play it only when there's a new update hoping they get better matches. If the devs don't take into consideration fixing the MMR then this is very bad from their part. They made a forum for people to report bugs and things that help develop this game further also with a big supporting community on their side and not taking the most important issue into consideration I think it's a strong lack of respect towards the people that keep show respect and dedication towards the game and, respectfully, Valve.

I know a lot of people complain about cheaters and stuff in CS, but the ranking system works there pretty good.

Oh, I forgot to mention that the MMR system is so broken that the devs had to manualy update ranks 2 months ago because everyone's rank was stuck for months. Everyone's rank has been moved 2 tiers up, or even 3 like in my case.
 
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So I managed to rank up from Arcanist 2 to Arcanist 3 after 10 wins and now I had 1 loss and instanly degraded to Arcanist 2 again. This is so NOT FUN!!!
 
stemipro said:
The fact that there are more than 10000 people complaining on this forum about MMR should make the devs take this into consideration, because this is the main reason people abandon the game or play it only when there's a new update hoping they get better matches. If the devs don't take into consideration fixing the MMR then this is very bad from their part. They made a forum for people to report bugs and things that help develop this game further also with a big supporting community on their side and not taking the most important issue into consideration I think it's a strong lack of respect towards the people that keep show respect and dedication towards the game and, respectfully, Valve.

I know a lot of people complain about cheaters and stuff in CS, but the ranking system works there pretty good.

Oh, I forgot to mention that the MMR system is so broken that the devs had to manualy update ranks 2 months ago because everyone's rank was stuck for months. Everyone's rank has been moved 2 tiers up, or even 3 like in my case.
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If u played CS:GO rank system was exactly the same like in Deadlock rn you have no points and clue when you will get promoted its so stupid shit, and Yoshi and their bang party don't give a f about it and bring it in game just bcs they can't do nothing better. Prime in CS2 is also trash, you earn 100 for win and lost 500 for lose even with avg rank numbers is pretty close in both teams.
But yeah, there is a million complains about how MM fucked with players and heroes balance but even when there was 100k people online the whole MM system was ruined by uplayeble heroes combo, like half of team is supports or fully one side build and its comes from RNG factor most of the time, i'd rather complain about how i made a shit pick for my team, instead of playing casino which teams will get better heroes or which team will get a players with 1 game on this hero.
 
I had a mate pre-rank changes that was like hardstuck alchemist. But would win like every game. He once deranked on a win. Super weird, but he doesnt play anymore
 
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