Now That Behavior System Exists, Can I(And Others Similiar) Get Unbanned For Reasons still Unknown?

[hiddenace]

Matchmaking is Open 24/7, Behavior Score is introduced into the game.

I've been manually banned by Valve(Almost 30 Days Ago) for either flaming or reporting too many in game, and I never said what I did was correct.

The reason of this "Permanent Ban" is because there wasn't a behavior system in the game, now there is, which means if originally I got access to the game now, and was toxic, the best I'd get is a mute and or low priority, instead of a PERMANENT BAN
It's been almost a month now that I haven't been able to play the game, can I have my ban lifted so I can continue playing the game with my friends? Thanks!

TL;DR: 2 Reasons I might have received a Perma Ban
1. Flaming Someone(Which I deeply regret, happens to the best of us)
2.I reported people for what Valve didn't find guilty so I "abused" the system and received a Perma Ban.

The "reporting" in the new Behavior System states that the ability to report could be taken away, and if continued, perma banned, but this was not disclosed and this feature was not available at the time of my ban.

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(I wouldn't have made this post if I had any sort of info on this, I tried Email, Discord, Steam Support, DM and much more to no success)

 

[hiddenace]

It's really unfair, again I agree that my behavior was not good at that current time.
Please re-consider.

 

[gerald.leblond]

So you're banned for toxicity, admit it was toxic and not apologize, say it's unfair, and then demand an answer?

I would recommend a therapist dude.

 

[Sirenii]

you... know you were toxic

and now you think you have the right to demand to be let back into a game where we all know damn well youll be toxic again, just because now there's a behaviour system?

yeaah, that's not how it works.

 

[hiddenace]

So you're banned for toxicity, admit it was toxic and not apologize, say it's unfair, and then demand an answer?

I would recommend a therapist dude.

Look, this is beyond you and me, just because I may have had sour mood for a day due to life reasons, doesn’t mean that’s who I am and that I do it everyday. I do regret my behavior in the past, it’s simply unfair because if I started playing Deadlock today, I’d be muted, not perma banned.

 

[hiddenace]

Valve needs to comment something, anything. hundreds of not thousands of people are unfairly Permanently banned when they could have received a mute or a temporary ban.
I notice a lot of people saying "but you deserved it" but they don't see the bigger picture, It's like they rather have a cheater in their match that they can't control than someone with a temporary behavior that they can mute and or report for the system to take care of.

 

[MIJAMIJAMIJA]

i think you'd have a better chance to garner sympathy if you showed a willingness to be accountable for what you did instead of calling it unfair. for the community it'd likely be better if everyone who misbehaved was permanently banned instead.

 

[hiddenace]

i think you'd have a better chance to garner sympathy if you showed a willingness to be accountable for what you did instead of calling it unfair. for the community it'd likely be better if everyone who misbehaved was permanently banned instead.

Yeah, let's just ban 60% of the Dota 2 community then, as that is my main game and with your suggestion, toxicity will be no more in Dota 2 and everyone will enjoy it, including me!
And I know what I did was not right, I've stated it in many comments before.

 

[Jonah Twinkletoes]

Honestly bro I get what your saying. And I'm someone who really only uses the ping system to talk to people. I don't know what you said or how harsh it was but if it wasn't racist, sexist, or any other "ist." I imagine the ban can (and to me should) be lifted. Hope it works out for you dude. Next time think before you act tho lol.

 

[hiddenace]

Honestly bro I get what your saying. And I'm someone who really only uses the ping system to talk to people. I don't know what you said or how harsh it was but if it wasn't racist, sexist, or any other "ist." I imagine the ban can (and to me should) be lifted. Hope it works out for you dude. Next time think before you act tho lol.

Oh trust me, I've learned my lesson and the sour times I had when the incident with Deadlock happened is gone. If I can manage 100% Behavior score of 12000 in Dota 2 then Deadlock is peace of cake to stay calm and deal with people, it happened once, that's why the perma ban isn't justified in my eyes, a mute and or low priority would be fair, I'd happy get out of it if given the chance.

 

[hiddenace]

Any news on this from other people with similiar experience? Been A Full Month since a ban, no actual reason given as to why the ban was issued and any news on what's gonna happen.

 

[chiril0094]

Any news on this from other people with similiar experience? Been A Full Month since a ban, no actual reason given as to why the ban was issued and any news on what's gonna happen.

Prolly will not unban you until full release

 

[prdr]

Any news on this from other people with similiar experience? Been A Full Month since a ban, no actual reason given as to why the ban was issued and any news on what's gonna happen.

Same thing here, but everyone I hang with is saying they'll likely unban everyone on full release as they did with CS2. Yes, this even includes cheaters and people who were VAC banned. Also gotta love all the people who take time to kick you when you're down and virtue signal on a forum suggesting bans are better for a community. Very cool guys! Keep being snarky dorks!

 

[Wesley Grey Talon]

Bans are better for a community though. If you don't have the self control to not be a repeat offender (which is the standard they have been manually banning for -- not one off lapses of judgement to make a toxic comment or two) then it's unlikely you'll gain that self-control a short time later. Permanent bans are probably too far, but months long timespans for toxicity would encourage people to learn a sense of self control.

Lets just look at it objectively for a second. If someone makes you mad to the point of saying something that a reasonable person would consider offensive, then you lack the self-control to utilize mute functions or simply keep your mouth shut. If acting that way isn't punished then half the playerbase will be playing on mute soon, not to control themselves but to escape the countless bad actors screaming obscenities every time something doesn't go their way.

Forcing someone to take some weeks or months off because they can't control themselves is not only fair, but it's pretty much required for growth of the community to not become a cesspool like that of Dota's and LoL's.

When I was younger I used to get low priority or matchmaking timeouts in dota and csgo a lot. I wouldn't control my temper and I would be a complete asshole to people over things that I cringe at thinking back on it. I even received a multiple months ban in csgo for throwing matches when I got mad. But guess what happened after I got that ban? I never threw any more matches, because I knew my account was at stake. It's called a reality check, and anyone who managed to get manually banned in this game probably needs one.

I agree you guys should be unbanned eventually, but until the behavior system is fully fleshed out, you'll probably be serving your time. I think that much is deserved because anyone invited to this game should have understood the privilege that came with getting to test it.

 

[hiddenace]

When people say wait for full release for the band to be lifted, if valve decides that, I hope it’s until the invite only is lifted and not the full game, because the full game is likely 1-2 years away.

 

[prdr]

Bans are better for a community though. If you don't have the self control to not be a repeat offender (which is the standard they have been manually banning for -- not one off lapses of judgement to make a toxic comment or two) then it's unlikely you'll gain that self-control a short time later. Permanent bans are probably too far, but months long timespans for toxicity would encourage people to learn a sense of self control.

Lets just look at it objectively for a second. If someone makes you mad to the point of saying something that a reasonable person would consider offensive, then you lack the self-control to utilize mute functions or simply keep your mouth shut. If acting that way isn't punished then half the playerbase will be playing on mute soon, not to control themselves but to escape the countless bad actors screaming obscenities every time something doesn't go their way.

Forcing someone to take some weeks or months off because they can't control themselves is not only fair, but it's pretty much required for growth of the community to not become a cesspool like that of Dota's and LoL's.

When I was younger I used to get low priority or matchmaking timeouts in dota and csgo a lot. I wouldn't control my temper and I would be a complete asshole to people over things that I cringe at thinking back on it. I even received a multiple months ban in csgo for throwing matches when I got mad. But guess what happened after I got that ban? I never threw any more matches, because I knew my account was at stake. It's called a reality check, and anyone who managed to get manually banned in this game probably needs one.

I agree you guys should be unbanned eventually, but until the behavior system is fully fleshed out, you'll probably be serving your time. I think that much is deserved because anyone invited to this game should have understood the privilege that came with getting to test it.

Glad you agree to the unbanning. But I must say, I'm not one to lose my temper, just one to trash talk and troll a tad. Throwing matches out of anger is hilarious though; glad to see you've developed better mental over the years!

And yes, you're absolutely correct. Bans are better for the community at large when there's apt reason for a ban like cheating or throwing games. However, nowadays most games have gone so far from the mark of what's ban-worthy and simply put any variety of trash talk, jokes, or bugs into 'toxicity' that needs to be removed. Great examples include games like rocket league, overwatch, or apex; where the system is so tyrranical you can get perma'd for simply telling someone they're not good at the game or by typing 'lol' (in rocket league anyway). In this game, I got banned for pause spamming. Which is funny, because now they've changed the mechanic, made it better, implemented a better report system, and added low prio, but I'm still banned; but that's fine. But the reason why I'm a little miffed is that I've been perma'd for something they've since remediated and made better (even though there's never been a ban for me or any of my dota friends from being cheeky with a pause button) when I've got two or three friends who've gotten away with slapping down a hard-R because they've come out of the cesspit of TF2 and assumed this game would be similar d/t it being a valve game. They're still playing btw.

Racism is uncool, as is bringing personal things into the mix (The amount of times people have threatened to kill me on League is innumerable) but a bit of goofing off with a crap mechanic in a closed alpha is a 'whatever' to me. I'll serve my time in Ban Hell though, no problem. However, what I don't like is all these dweebs coming out of the woodwork to comment on people's 'ban appeal' posts. Pathetic behavior, truly! They face no repercussions here, and so they decide to take a moral high ground and act as though kicking people while they're down is any less toxic and poor sportsmanship than whatever landed someone in Ban Hell in the first place. Hence why I've been calling them snarky dorks. A deserved insult for crap behavior. TLDR: Bullying and trash-talk, although crude, serve as a good social watchdog, and serve to make people become better. Iron sharpens Iron, and if you can't take the heat, get the hell outta the kitchen!

 

[prdr]

When people say wait for full release for the band to be lifted, if valve decides that, I hope it’s until the invite only is lifted and not the full game, because the full game is likely 1-2 years away.

lmao they'll launch this game in like 6mo bro I can feel it. All they need is something to monetize and they're golden. I'd play it daily for decades even in it's current state.

 

[hiddenace]

lmao they'll launch this game in like 6mo bro I can feel it. All they need is something to monetize and they're golden. I'd play it daily for decades even in it's current state.

Reading all the patch notes and changes, especially map changes without being able to play the game is really awful, been over a month with the ban and still unable to get any answer from valve sadly, I’m watching lots of people be toxic, lots of people grief and all they receive is a mute and low priority and here I am not having done anything to that extent and have received a permanent because the system wasn’t in place

 

[prdr]

Reading all the patch notes and changes, especially map changes without being able to play the game is really awful, been over a month with the ban and still unable to get any answer from valve sadly, I’m watching lots of people be toxic, lots of people grief and all they receive is a mute and low priority and here I am not having done anything to that extent and have received a permanent because the system wasn’t in place

We're not gonna get an answer from valve bud; just gotta suffer in banworld for now and pray for freedom in a while. As I said above, iron sharpens iron. Take the hardship on the chin and take this as a gift to teach you patience!

 

[hiddenace]

Still no way to directly contact Valve for this and get a proper answer as to why the ban and what’s gonna happen…