Matchmaking party and rank tolerances

[mundungusmilk]

A lot of comparing about matchmaking at the moment.

Posting to raise that there is a bug or design issue with the matchmaker in relation to rank disparity tolerances. These need to be tightened and should be experimented on actively now. More transparency on weightings and changes is also needed.

Regularly seeing players below alchemist be placed into lobbies with players Archon or above, and vice versa. I recently saw a seeker vs Emissary lobby, and the seeker team was true seeker. The Emissary team had one initiate player and an Ascendant player.

This should just not happen. Slightly longer queue times are preferred over these sorts of imbalances. There is no point in that game playing out for anyone involved.

There should be:

1. maximum rank discrepancies allowable within a team and between teams.
2. Maximum rank discrepancies for parties (reinstated)
3. Tighter controls on rank distribution within a team (e.g. One eternus and 5 ritualists is not an Archon competitive team)
4. Upper limits on extremely low rank player matching. E.g. Initiate players should never be placed in lobbies above seeker / alchemist
5. Lower limits on extremely high rank player matching e.g. Eternus players should never be in a lobby with players below Emissary or ritualist
6. Restrictions on new accounts being placed in lobbies above seeker before they are ranked

 

[gibnewitems]

100% of all the issues with matchmaking could be solved with a total ban on stacking.

The vast majority of all terrible quality games that get reported are the result of stacks according to the developers, yet they take away tools that allow solo players to avoid these hellish games.

 

[nothingplease]

100% of all the issues with matchmaking could be solved with a total ban on stacking.

The vast majority of all terrible quality games that get reported are the result of stacks according to the developers, yet they take away tools that allow solo players to avoid these hellish games.

No they don't? "mm_prefer_solo_only true" is standard. If you are solo you are actively matched with other solo players. If you are grouped you are actively put into grouped matches that are always terrible. The person above is spot on but my guess is Valve can't implement it because there are too few players. Before the 6 heroes was released the game was pretty much dead with 10k peak for 5 regions. That would be 30min queue for everyone with the rules above. Sure the games would hopefully be a lot better but that would kill the game even further.

As you can see on the chart below the game is already starting to die again after the peak. It's going to steadily decline until the next big update again and rightfully so since the matchmaking is currently the main issue both for veterans and new players that have an absolutely horrible intro experience.

 

[gibnewitems]

"mm_prefer_solo_only true" is standard. If you are solo you are actively matched with other solo players. If you are grouped you are actively put into grouped matches that are always terrible.

That command has been bugged for months and straight up doesn't work.

The person above is spot on but my guess is Valve can't implement it because there are too few players. Before the 6 heroes was released the game was pretty much dead with 10k peak for 5 regions. That would be 30min queue for everyone with the rules above.

Only stacking monkies would have 30 minute queues. Solo players would do just fine.

Sure the games would hopefully be a lot better but that would kill the game even further.

No more than what stack cancer has already done.

As you can see on the chart below the game is already starting to die again after the peak. It's going to steadily decline until the next big update again and rightfully so since the matchmaking is currently the main issue both for veterans and new players that have an absolutely horrible intro experience.

I literally gave you the solution to all matchmaking issues: get rid of stack cancer.

There's a reason why every serious competitive game doesn't allow you to stack in ranked. Deadlock was like this to when ranked was first released.

 

[mundungusmilk]

Stacking to some extent is important for player base development and new players at the moment. People need to be able to play with their friends.

There needs to be a change to the trade off between restrictions and queue times, as it currently biases too far towards better queue times.

A separate ranked queue and solo only queue should be options, but not right now with the playerbase where it is. Now is the time for testing small adjustments which favour better balance.

 

[viperjose]

No they don't? "mm_prefer_solo_only true" is standard. If you are solo you are actively matched with other solo players. If you are grouped you are actively put into grouped matches that are always terrible. The person above is spot on but my guess is Valve can't implement it because there are too few players. Before the 6 heroes was released the game was pretty much dead with 10k peak for 5 regions. That would be 30min queue for everyone with the rules above. Sure the games would hopefully be a lot better but that would kill the game even further.

As you can see on the chart below the game is already starting to die again after the peak. It's going to steadily decline until the next big update again and rightfully so since the matchmaking is currently the main issue both for veterans and new players that have an absolutely horrible intro experience.

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you have no clue what you are talking about, i get constantly match in groups of 2 3 4 5.

 

[viperjose]

Dota 2 has strick solo play anything you say is null

 

[nothingplease]

you have no clue what you are talking about, i get constantly match in groups of 2 3 4 5.

Maybe you should check console then. I have never been placed in a grouped lobby with mm_prefer_solo_only. Not a single time have I even suspected people are grouped either. But guess your 10 matches of experience are more clues than my 2600.

 

[viperjose]

Maybe you should check console then. I have never been placed in a grouped lobby with mm_prefer_solo_only. Not a single time have I even suspected people are grouped either. But guess your 10 matches of experience are more clues than my 2600.

Someone just literally told you console is bugged and doesn’t work anymore..... 2600 thats not something to be proud off and my account is older. you are a weirdo.

 

[An Unoriginal Name]

Maybe you should check console then. I have never been placed in a grouped lobby with mm_prefer_solo_only. Not a single time have I even suspected people are grouped either. But guess your 10 matches of experience are more clues than my 2600.

Odds are pretty good you have, it just wasn't evident to you. Sending a preference to the matchmaker is not the same as splitting the queue.