Consumable Refresher and Echo Shard

[thatonedanguy]

Conusmable items, used sparingly, could solve quite a few of Deadlock's current issues with item balance (when combined with hero abilities). Echo shard is core on Bebop bomb build or Refresher is core on an ult Dynamo build, yes! Those are great, fun uses of the item. A magician that double rabbit hexes your whole team twice is unfun. A Yamato that refreshers and double ults your whole team is not fun to play against. My arguement is that refresher and echo shard (and possibly other items) could stand to be on a long cooldown, consumable use.

If items can only be used one time, they are much more fun and impactful to execute or counter successfully. There would also be an excellent addition of the new layer to track in game: is refresher/echo shard available right now and can the other team afford one. Starving out jungle and securing souls is a core part of the game already, but items are only counter bought. Very, very rarely does anyone sell a truly impactful item, but what if it was a limited resource?

Yoshi - Cook.

 

[gibnewitems]

Both of them would have to be a lot cheaper and stronger in general to even justify being 1 use only. Echo shard isn't even that great to begin with outside of a few hero interactions.

A far easier and simple way to fix either of those items would be to just nerf the heroes/abilities that they are "problematic" on.

 

[Mokuzzai]

A far easier and simple way to fix either of those items would be to remove them from the game, and adjust bebop and dynamo accordingly.

 

[gibnewitems]

A far easier and simple way to fix either of those items would be to remove them from the game, and adjust bebop and dynamo accordingly.

We'd end up with 3 or 4 items left in the game if we started getting rid of any item that's perceived to be strong or unfun.

 

[AdikJe]

Okay, so we have 2 tems, that are good on a few characters and instead of adjusting characters and this items - you propose to remove this items or make them much worse.

Yeah, I agree that Sinclair's double hex is busted. Simply because this character is still not nerfed to be not OP with his almost instant AOE hex and not being able to stop him from using his TP on clone(I'll keep remind that he can do it even when cursed or holding an urn)

Yeah, Dynamo, Lash and Yamato can use their ultimates twice. With an item that gives 0 stats and have a very long cooldown.

I usually ignore Refresher for most of the match, since I need to be more consistent in fights and not be an ult bot with cooldown of 3 minutes. And right now this item in a good spot, you can't cast it instantly (like it was before) and it doesn't provide any stats at all(like it used to), and it costs you a full slot(and you have less of them).

The only issue with refresher, is that it's useless on many heroes and busted on others, but it's just like refresher in Dota. Like, why would you buy it on Anti-Mage or PA, when you can buy anything else, that'll boost your stats? Or why would you buy it on Mirage or Infernus, when you can buy another gun item. And why would you not buy it on Enigma or ES with their ultimates?