Chat muted for saying "GG"

[short-lived]

i am already getting tired of telling people to stop feeding these emotional parasites.

hopefully valve and devs will address this issue on tomorrow's update, it has been 2 weeks and it just keeps getting worse with every emboldened delusional psycho.

in the words of the wise Snoop Dogg, drop it like it's hot.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[liondog]

Hahahahaha lmao this is just peak.

Based on your suggestions, I should:

1. Condescendingly ask people for permission to lecture them.
2. Monitor their item choices and plays on top of my own stuff I need to worry about, as I coach them during a live game.
3. Make sure I suck them off every step of the way.

I am what you would call a "sweaty" player. I practice movement stuff in a demo map. The first day I installed Deadlock i was looking for guides on how to be more efficient, I watch high skill players and try to emulate what they do. When I join a game, I want people that put in similar effort to win, because winning is the whole fucking point of the game. It's a competition, only one team can win.

I'm a reasonable person. I make mistakes, I don't press all spells at the perfect milisecond, I don't have perfect aim tracking. But when I get matched with people that don't defend walkers, don't join any teamfights, but at the same time they don't even push out waves or attempt to take buildings, or they just run into enemies at 30 minutes, it feels like they're whispering "your time and effort are worthless to me" in my ear.

But of course, only one side of this conflict has a responsibility, and that's the "toxic" players. Not the people who waste 40 minutes of your time. Not the people you can't solve with a press of a button. No, it's the people that call them assholes for not giving a shit.

This is 12 years of Dota 2 speaking. This isn't going to change and for your own mental health, if you are argumentative, you should quit this game, because justice is only served to the meek and fragile.

How is it your teammates' fault they are in the match with you? Did they join the game on purpose just to annoy you? Shouldn't you just leave the match immediately, delete the game and never come back because of how bad the MM is and you're in a game with players that are obviously worse than you? Or does your whining about how bad they are help you win games?
Just boycott the game until MM is fixed and everyone in your games is as skilled as you, and if it never happens, well, you're too good for Deadlock, it's not worth your time.

 

[cyberwolf757]

Here are some things to try instead of just jumping to the low-brow "ur bad" commentary:

• Ask NICELY if the Warden would like some gameplay tips to help them win more engagements.
• Make some build suggestions or item suggestions to help them learn how to make better purchases
• Ask them NICELY the join you on a gank or a tower dive or whatever early in the game to help them feel engaged. Then you can offer some suggestions on things they could do differently since you will have watched their gameplay first hand.

If you bypass all the ways you could have been kind and helpful and just jump to insulting them, then yes, you should be banned. There are so many more helpful and useful ways to give input.

If you think telling someone they are bad is worth a BAN, you legit don't belong in any online video game. Also, since you have literally 0 context, and jump straight to conclusions, how do you know I didn't attempt at first to tell the warden to join us? You don't. It's not like I go straight to calling someone bad, I usually first make call outs, call strats and ask people to do objectives, when they do not listen and instead continue to ignore anything nice I have to say, then yes, I called them bad. Or what? I should just suck a person off, while they ignore me and throw my game and waste 40 minutes of my time? You must have had everything given to you in your life, if you don't value your time being wasted.

 

[Morrigan]

If you think telling someone they are bad is worth a BAN, you legit don't belong in any online video game. Also, since you have literally 0 context, and jump straight to conclusions, how do you know I didn't attempt at first to tell the warden to join us? You don't. It's not like I go straight to calling someone bad, I usually first make call outs, call strats and ask people to do objectives, when they do not listen and instead continue to ignore anything nice I have to say, then yes, I called them bad. Or what? I should just suck a person off, while they ignore me and throw my game and waste 40 minutes of my time? You must have had everything given to you in your life, if you don't value your time being wasted.

I agree with this. Saying stuff like "I will get you next time!" or "Omg, you are so bad!" is just taunting and TOTALLY belongs into any competitive game. I hate modern devs turning everything into Disneyland, it's just ruining it for me..

 

[rays1712]

i am already getting tired of telling people to stop feeding these emotional parasites.

hopefully valve and devs will address this issue on tomorrow's update, it has been 2 weeks and it just keeps getting worse with every emboldened delusional psycho.

in the words of the wise Snoop Dogg, drop it like it's hot.

Update just dropped, there's no issue here, everything work perfectly as intended.

sincerely,
-valve and whole devs team.

 

[short-lived]

How is it your teammates' fault they are in the match with you? Did they join the game on purpose just to annoy you? Shouldn't you just leave the match immediately, delete the game and never come back because of how bad the MM is and you're in a game with players that are obviously worse than you? Or does your whining about how bad they are help you win games?
Just boycott the game until MM is fixed and everyone in your games is as skilled as you, and if it never happens, well, you're too good for Deadlock, it's not worth your time.

I'm not saying everyone is shit and I'm perfect, but I try my best every game. Which is not the same that can be said for others. Some people will literally deliberately grief you, e.g., not use abilities to help you, or follow you around to steal your farm, when you criticise them. Some people go into afk-farming mode, some people just stop wanting to win and play with zero effort. Some people start fucking around. Some people don't even need you to say anything and they do it preemptively because they don't give a shit about other people's time.

You can't press any button to make them behave like adults. But you can press a button to mute people that say stuff you don't like.

If you can't see the disparity in the options, then that tells me everything I need to know.

 

[rays1712]

I'm not saying everyone is shit and I'm perfect, but I try my best every game. Which is not the same that can be said for others. Some people will literally deliberately grief you, e.g., not use abilities to help you, or follow you around to steal your farm, when you criticise them. Some people go into afk-farming mode, some people just stop wanting to win and play with zero effort. Some people start fucking around. Some people don't even need you to say anything and they do it preemptively because they don't give a shit about other people's time.

You can't press any button to make them behave like adults. But you can press a button to mute people that say stuff you don't like.

If you can't see the disparity in the options, then that tells me everything I need to know.

Maybe you're placed in the wrong rank, just my opinion, make new account, you will be placed in the lowest rank at first, so everyone there isn't on your rank, hold your temper, stop gloating so no one will report you and just play well, if you manage to perform well in the first 20 matches, they will put you on a high rank, and just finish the last 30 matches, get rank mode and you will be placed at minimum phantom, at best eternus.

Report button is indeed a button to mute people that say stuff you don't like, that's what it's planned to do, work as intended.
There's also report button for griefing.
Sadly what happen here is that you accumulate more report in the span of multiple game in your journey(in dota it's the last 20 games) that trigger the ban while people that you say griefing don't collect as much report as you are, hence, you're the first one valve target rather than the other guy you said suck at video game.

Just make new account dude.

 

[short-lived]

Report button is indeed a button to mute people that say stuff you don't like, that's what it's planned to do, work as intended.

What?... No, that's what the mute button is for. The report button is for people to feel better about their perceived victimhood.

If there was a clear code of conduct of what is okay to say, what is not okay to say, and if the reports were then reviewed with adherence to this code of conduct, threads like this would not exist. Because you would have someone say "I was muted injustly!" and there would be an automated reply from a bot that posts a screenshot from their last reviewed case.

But that's not the case. What's happening is that you say "Hey Viscous can you fucking help us? You're literally jungling as we're losing 3 walkers", Viscous gets his feelings hurt, uses the report button. Over the course of 3 weeks, 10 people get their feelings hurt and you get an automated punishment. Nobody reviewed shit. You know how I know? Because it's not feasible to review the chat and voice chat of tens of thousands of people.

There's also report button for griefing.

Which also doesn't do anything, because griefing is a completely vague term that means something else to everybody. If a person is jungling right next to a falling walker, that to me is griefing and should be harshly punished. If I'm chased and there are teammates who could at least posture or use abilities as a deterrent to help me escape (without committing), but don't because they don't feel like it, that is griefing to me.

Do you think Valve defined anywhere precisely what griefing is? No, because it's another bullshit report that nobody will ever review. I have reported people in Dota 2 for griefing who literally used abilities to throw you into enemies, teleport you into enemy fountain, destroyed their own items, refused to defend the base, announced to the enemy team when you were doing Roshan or where you were on the map. Actions that in any fucking sensible game would result in an instant permaban. Every single one of those people is still playing today.

Just make new account dude.

I don't want a new account, I'm not that invested in the game as to be placed in a perfect rank. I don't think the ranking system is flawed, I think the reporting system is flawed. It's been flawed in Dota 2 for a decade and I guess I hoped that something would change for a new game, but that was very naive of me as it's the same old Valve with the same old "sledgehammer to crack a nut" problem solving.

 

[rays1712]

What?... No, that's what the mute button is for. The report button is for people to feel better about their perceived victimhood.

If there was a clear code of conduct of what is okay to say, what is not okay to say, and if the reports were then reviewed with adherence to this code of conduct, threads like this would not exist. Because you would have someone say "I was muted injustly!" and there would be an automated reply from a bot that posts a screenshot from their last reviewed case.

But that's not the case. What's happening is that you say "Hey Viscous can you fucking help us? You're literally jungling as we're losing 3 walkers", Viscous gets his feelings hurt, uses the report button. Over the course of 3 weeks, 10 people get their feelings hurt and you get an automated punishment. Nobody reviewed shit. You know how I know? Because it's not feasible to review the chat and voice chat of tens of thousands of people.

Which also doesn't do anything, because griefing is a completely vague term that means something else to everybody. If a person is jungling right next to a falling walker, that to me is griefing and should be harshly punished. If I'm chased and there are teammates who could at least posture or use abilities as a deterrent to help me escape (without committing), but don't because they don't feel like it, that is griefing to me.

Do you think Valve defined anywhere precisely what griefing is? No, because it's another bullshit report that nobody will ever review. I have reported people in Dota 2 for griefing who literally used abilities to throw you into enemies, teleport you into enemy fountain, destroyed their own items, refused to defend the base, announced to the enemy team when you were doing Roshan or where you were on the map. Actions that in any fucking sensible game would result in an instant permaban. Every single one of those people is still playing today.



I don't want a new account, I'm not that invested in the game as to be placed in a perfect rank. I don't think the ranking system is flawed, I think the reporting system is flawed. It's been flawed in Dota 2 for a decade and I guess I hoped that something would change for a new game, but that was very naive of me as it's the same old Valve with the same old "sledgehammer to crack a nut" problem solving.

You said it man, there's no one reviewing the report, it's a well known fact that everyone know, same as griefing report, no one reviewing them, as long you get enough amount of report, that's it, you're banned, there's not enough man power since the devs still focusing on the game itself rather than reviewing one by one.

Is it flawed system? Oh, It absolutely is, so I agree with you about that.

What can we do about it? Nothing, for now.. cause we know the report and ban system won't change for a long time.
except, there's one thing you can do, make a private thread suggestion, that's where yoshi actually see the suggestion from players, and that's that.

Now what do? Since we already know that's how the system work, we can either live with it and continue play the game within the rule set made by valve, for now.. or, there's always another game that's fun to play.

This game is fun, but at the same time, it's still play testing phase anyway.

This just my opinion anyway, just another random stranger on internet, take it with grain of salt.