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I think my only point was that I wanted melee builds to get more then melee range + crushing fists. The idea was to have Pugilist give...

Vindicta looks a little different..

That's true, but I am worried about melee venator. Piercing parry with a blessed melee sounds borderline instakill and very gamey...

I had the idea of ability melees don't count, so things like Viscous or Blessed Melees wouldn't be stupidly broken.

Okay, just as a question: how does this work with light melees? this obviously has synergies with heavy melee and melee charge distance...

The overall intended purpose is to make Melee builds more reliable and useful, and making it so you have a situational "punishing...

It is a very situational item, Yes. Instead of saying "but veil walker-" or "but shadow weave" I'll say, It would still proc / be...

Intended for use with Melee Builds, Pugilist is supposed to be a Tier 4 Relic that's price at 6.4k Souls. When purchased: +15% Melee...