View attachment Untitled video - Made with Clipchamp (7).mp4 So is this intended...? I get the use of unstoppable. but its also a debuff remover to wraith ult? I understand if he seen it coming and used unstoppable before my ult even targeted him. But to be able to remove my ult entirely the MOMENT it was about to latch is kind of crazy and shouldnt be a thing. Please tell me this is a bug and is unintended.
Wraith ult vs unstoppable
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Dashiell
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Because Wraith's ult is delayed by travel time it is absolutely possible by any invincibility ability to dispel it, in that case unstoppable item but also ethereal shift, from heroes Abrams' ult, Dynamo's 2nd, Mirage's 1st, Pocket's 3rd, Yamato's ult and funny interaction with MnK's 2nd where shackles will follow him burrowed until he unburrows.
I disagree with this entirely and i think it should be changed. Thats like popping unstoppable the moment dynamo uses his ult or using those items to stop mo and krills ult or popping unstoppable when lash has you lassoed but not in the air yet. its the same principle as wraiths ult i have to lock on to the person first there for it should already be too late to use an item to counter it. Why is wraith the only person with an ultimate that is completely blocked by an item. Unstoppable is meant as an item to be used before you dive into a team fight not as a debuff remover last resort bailout mechanic. I find it extremely frustrating and unfair.
Imo it should have a maximum follow distance but it needs to have a twice as fast latch speed.
ToroidalFox
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Not every ult should be equally strong. Some ults should be intentionally weak due to other abilities. Not that I think Wraith's ult is weak, just saying that the argument of 'but the other ults' is not a good argument.
But let's play 'but the other ults' anyway. Unlike Dynamo or Mo & Krill, Wraith doesn't need to be 'sacrificed' to use an ult. Something has to give then, and that is time to react.
But let's play 'but the other ults' anyway. Unlike Dynamo or Mo & Krill, Wraith doesn't need to be 'sacrificed' to use an ult. Something has to give then, and that is time to react.
You forgot to mention lash. but thats okay they have pretty similar ullts except lash can be way more deadly. you cant use unstoppable with him and he has nothing to sacrifice. so i can use the same argument with you.
The bottom line is. unstoppable shouldnt stop anything if what its suppose to be stopping already is on you or it already has targeted you. Example using unstoppable in the middle of wardens binding word instead of stepping out of the effected area is the exact same as using it a millisecond before wraith ult latches. Or how about sevens static charge? Once its one you you cant remove it... Wraith ult should not be effected by unstoppable unless they have already previously used it before they got targeted.
The Master Mind
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Debuff remover can stop lots of targeted abilities but not wraith's ult, was testing this with a friend.
thesolarellipse
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1. It's not a bug and it's how the game mechanics work with basically anything that is delayed.
2. Debuff remover does not stop wraith ult.
3. Unstoppable does not "cleanse" you, it only temporarily suppresses the debuffs.
And no, it should not work the way you want it to. At best there could be an item that purges any positive status effects from the enemy.
2. Debuff remover does not stop wraith ult.
3. Unstoppable does not "cleanse" you, it only temporarily suppresses the debuffs.
And no, it should not work the way you want it to. At best there could be an item that purges any positive status effects from the enemy.
Youre not understanding. I was using debuff remover as an example. I HAD ALREADY PRESSED 4 and locked on top the person. LOOK AT THE VIDEO. he press his unstoppable button THE MOMENT my ult touched him. Which is bullshit and is basically unstoppable being used as a debuff remover.
There is a difference if he had used unstoppable BEFORE i pressed 4 and had already LOCKED on to him. idgaf if wraith ult has a travel time the devs need to SPEED the latch time up because i am getting really sick of getting 2 inches from someone and they can still counter it or run away.
Next time lash uses his ult try using unstoppable while he has you in his cross hairs already. when seven uses a his NORMAL ability static charge. Lash still grabs you. static charge still stuns you.
No one is making a logical explanation why this is acceptable other than everyone just loves to bitch and complain about wraith. Unstoppable is meant to be used BEFORE a team fight not as a debuff remover.
i was using debuff remover as an example. He used his unstoppable like you would use debuff remover.
View attachment Untitled video - Made with Clipchamp (8).mp4 Heres a prime example of how easy it is to counter wraith ult. Its actually insane in a bad way. Im literally in Ivy i CANNOT get any closer and she still has time to stone statue. Which in my opnion shouldnt fully counter wraith ult either... it wraith ult should circle ivy until she comes out of stone form. Reason? a normal ability should not fully counter an ultimate ability plain and simple.
The Master Mind
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I do agree with what you're trying to say in your comments, and when I mentioned the Debuff remover I wasn't complaining about it not working, since when me and my friend (neither of us play wraith but were testing how to counter her) were testing this in sandbox and it did not work, we agreed that this is an ULT and should not be easily countered by a 1250 item, especially that for wraith it may be the only viable method to get kills or contribute to team fights
thesolarellipse
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Are you completely oblivious of the fact how projectiles work?
THIS is the only point you should have made in the entire thread - "Wraith ult needs to have no delay when point-blank to an enemy".
Nobody is going to delete spell/item interaction and the depth of counter-itemizing because of your insufferable whims to make a 60s CD button guaranteed CC. Besides, all this time you could have bought curse or silence glyph that have a much faster projectile speed with no delay, which would have fixed your problem. Both dynamo and ivy have counters to your ultimate in their kit, and it's your duty to itemize against them instead of whining.
You would be allowed to make arguments on the basis of "this character needs too much items to properly counter", but that is very far from any of the points you're trying to make.
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