Wraith is the weakest in the game

kbmg95

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Why does Wraith have the worst gun in the game? She used to also have her cards but they just tickle now. so you would think wraiths gun would be one of the strongest you know since shes supposed to be "a high-damage, mobile hero known for her single-target burst damage and ability to quickly eliminate opponents" None of which is true anymore, and so many other heros can out damage and sustain wraith. even if youre 15k souls ahead with wraith it feels like youre dead even or even still lacking behind.

The only hero that does less damage than wraith would be grey talon. But he can scale his arrow to do so much more damage.

Itd be fine if her cards could actually deal decent damage, but they simply dont.

My favorite hero has been butchered to the point where she is literally the weakest character in the game and if you build gun items on literally any other hero, they can and will do more than wraith does. unlike other heros, wraith is one of them that doesnt have a spirit play option, You dont get her cards without shooting. Maybe haze is the other exception because she literally only has a gun.

Other heros have the luxery of building either spirit or gun. you can build a gun yamato and still have your movement etc, or you can build spirit and do 900 gun damage all game. Yet Gun is still the issue? even when you can spirit burst people for 1500+ hp in 1 hit. I think people are just playing wrong or are too hyper focused on how they died by a hero 1 time in 1 match.

Not to mention that there are countless items to counter gun builds. And how exactly are gun heros supposed to counter juggernaut and suppressor and thinks like that? Get more fire rate? Sure there are items that give "spirit resist" but theres nothing that makes your cool downs longer kind of like how fire rate items work. they literally nerf the % of the damage output the hero can output on top of having bull resist items. Meanwhile, there are only spirit resist items, that arent nearly effective as bullet resist and fire rate slowing items. Due to the fact that spirit scales way to high and does way too much damage 30% on 1500 is still 1050 damage in a single hit. Nearly half of most heros hp.

Than with gun heros if you truly want to have spirit shielding you have to buy weird items and some items dont upgrade so than youre eventually selling your spirit resist items for damage items late game. when you need spirit resist the most.

It is un healthy for the community to think that gun heros are the issue when literally you could build any hero to play gun yet the vast majority chooses not to because they think shooting isnt fun or is a lesser skill or some crazy take.

I dont want to see gun heros nerfed to the ground and have a spirit heavy meta. That would require no skill and people would just be playing the game one easy mode. Its easy to spam a huge AOE that explodes and does damage + effects in less than a second. aka lady giest and sinclair. its easy to spam targeting abilities that do insane damage. or people like mo that can disarm you from 10 miles away with the same duration as fully upgraded wraith ult.

Its easy to press 4 and insta kill someone and get your ult refreshed while also having infinite healing as a passive.

You know what isnt easy? Hitting moving fast moving targets in stressful situations Wheres theres a million stuns silences and disarms, makeshift walls etc. Aiming takes the most skill in this game, yet for some reason its looked down upon. I dont get it.

And im worried that this next balance patch is going to have a bunch of dead gun heros while they dont address spirit heros taking half your health in a single shot.
 
There are other heros that are weaker than her, in reality id say someone like mcginnis or bebop is actually weaker than wraith, though you are right about spirit not taking much skill but gun doesnt take much either, and i would rather have a spirit meta with all the anti spirit items we have than gun
 
Your video doesn't really provide good data because everyone has infinite ammo. Magazine side and reload time are crucial stats when determining gun damage. By removing reloading in the sandbox you're not really getting a good idea of what the damage is like in a real game.

Also a Wraith with no items -none of the heroes in your video have items- should do little damage. Wraith is a carry, she needs items to do damage. Low base damage is part of how you balance that.
 
Your video doesn't really provide good data because everyone has infinite ammo. Magazine side and reload time are crucial stats when determining gun damage. By removing reloading in the sandbox you're not really getting a good idea of what the damage is like in a real game.

Also a Wraith with no items -none of the heroes in your video have items- should do little damage. Wraith is a carry, she needs items to do damage. Low base damage is part of how you balance that.
The point being is. Everyone is base gun damage, and at max level. Abilities on all heros make a difference. Plus by my self i am limited to only using base gun damage. which is fair. And its also fair to have everyone to have no reload because the no one ever has a straight up gun battle everyone is juking and hiding behind corners and peaking. So head to head was a fair way to show case how weak wraiths gun is. Everyone without items and buffs have around the same hp so its a fair way to input that, wraiths gun is too weak. Hero's that are meant for spirit shouldnt be out damaging a 1v1 hero period.

Also low base damage on a gun only hero? maybe if she was actually scalable and also if other heros didnt do more damage than her. Only vindicta and grey talon are weaker than base wraith and viscous is just a SMIDGE weaker than base wraith but than at max level is stronger. Now a hero like viscous and do insane damage with his puddle punches and splashes OR his gun. Wraith simply only has her gun and her tickle cards. Its be different if wraith could scale her cards to do 500-800 damage per card shed fit in with the rest of the cast.
 
The point being is. Everyone is base gun damage, and at max level. Abilities on all heros make a difference. Plus by my self i am limited to only using base gun damage. which is fair. And its also fair to have everyone to have no reload because the no one ever has a straight up gun battle everyone is juking and hiding behind corners and peaking. So head to head was a fair way to show case how weak wraiths gun is. Everyone without items and buffs have around the same hp so its a fair way to input that, wraiths gun is too weak. Hero's that are meant for spirit shouldnt be out damaging a 1v1 hero period.

Also low base damage on a gun only hero? maybe if she was actually scalable and also if other heros didnt do more damage than her. Only vindicta and grey talon are weaker than base wraith and viscous is just a SMIDGE weaker than base wraith but than at max level is stronger. Now a hero like viscous and do insane damage with his puddle punches and splashes OR his gun. Wraith simply only has her gun and her tickle cards. Its be different if wraith could scale her cards to do 500-800 damage per card shed fit in with the rest of the cast.
With gun damage there are these four main variables.
  1. [Magazine Size], how many bullets you can fire before you have to reload.
  2. [Bullet Damage], the individual damage per bullet.
  3. [Bullets Per Second], how many bullets you fire.
  4. [Reload Speed], how long you have to wait to fire while reloading.
If you have infinite ammo and don't have to reload, then all that matters is [Bullet Damage] and [Bullets Per Second]. Which isn't really how the game does it's thing.

But way more importantly, you bring up Vindicta and Grey Talon as being generally the weakest alongside Wraith. Wraith, Vindicta, and Grey Talon all have abilities that make their guns better. (Vin/GT 2, Wraith's 3). That's part of why their guns are weak on their own, so that players can get power-spikes as they level up these abilities.

Some heroes are just designed to have better stats in the late game with items + abilities, and the dev team compensates by making them weaker at the start of the game.
 
With gun damage there are these four main variables.
  1. [Magazine Size], how many bullets you can fire before you have to reload.
  2. [Bullet Damage], the individual damage per bullet.
  3. [Bullets Per Second], how many bullets you fire.
  4. [Reload Speed], how long you have to wait to fire while reloading.
If you have infinite ammo and don't have to reload, then all that matters is [Bullet Damage] and [Bullets Per Second]. Which isn't really how the game does it's thing.

But way more importantly, you bring up Vindicta and Grey Talon as being generally the weakest alongside Wraith. Wraith, Vindicta, and Grey Talon all have abilities that make their guns better. (Vin/GT 2, Wraith's 3). That's part of why their guns are weak on their own, so that players can get power-spikes as they level up these abilities.

Some heroes are just designed to have better stats in the late game with items + abilities, and the dev team compensates by making them weaker at the start of the game.
Youre missing the whole pint here.

BOTH grey talon and vindicta have really strong spirit builds they can CHOOSE which one they want to play. Both are good for the hero.

Now heros like wraith and haze, DO NOT have any ability to play spirit. Haze though is in a strong spot right now and can out damage a wraith 15k souls ahead of her.

Wraiths gun by default should be stronger, one of the strongest and fastest shooting in the game yet its not.

Also the point that since 99.9% of the cast has a stronger gun. They could ALSO build their heros into gun. but they choose not to. Theres things that make your clips bigger. you collect enough buffs and any heros gun can hold enough ammo.

Every hero can choose items so theres no point in bringing that up. Abrams life steal for example is better than wraiths. i have a clip of a Abrams with less than 200 hp tanking my wraith 20k souls ahead of him, and i stil lose that fight because wraiths gun doesnt do jack shit for damage.

So if anything wraith gets worse with the more items she against.
 
Youre missing the whole pint here.

BOTH grey talon and vindicta have really strong spirit builds they can CHOOSE which one they want to play. Both are good for the hero.

Now heros like wraith and haze, DO NOT have any ability to play spirit. Haze though is in a strong spot right now and can out damage a wraith 15k souls ahead of her.

Wraiths gun by default should be stronger, one of the strongest and fastest shooting in the game yet its not.

Also the point that since 99.9% of the cast has a stronger gun. They could ALSO build their heros into gun. but they choose not to. Theres things that make your clips bigger. you collect enough buffs and any heros gun can hold enough ammo.

Every hero can choose items so theres no point in bringing that up. Abrams life steal for example is better than wraiths. i have a clip of a Abrams with less than 200 hp tanking my wraith 20k souls ahead of him, and i stil lose that fight because wraiths gun doesnt do jack shit for damage.

So if anything wraith gets worse with the more items she against.
I strongly disagree that there are no viable spirit builds for Wraith and Haze. I once got DUMPSTERED by a 10/1/11 Spirit Haze that cleverly used Mercurial Magnum + Radiant Rejuvenation + Spirit Rend + Superior Duration. Her ults lasted forever and fixation did some chunky spirit damage, still remember it to this day. It might not be common, but it's by no means unviable.

Wraith on the other hand, is one of the most flexible heroes in terms of damage. You can easily go spirit or bullet, she scales just fine with both. In fact, when I play Wraith I always open with a spirit build. I put my first 3 levels into her cards, get Extra Charge + Mythic Burst. It's a fun opener.

She's in a fine spot right now imo
 
I strongly disagree that there are no viable spirit builds for Wraith and Haze. I once got DUMPSTERED by a 10/1/11 Spirit Haze that cleverly used Mercurial Magnum + Radiant Rejuvenation + Spirit Rend + Superior Duration. Her ults lasted forever and fixation did some chunky spirit damage, still remember it to this day. It might not be common, but it's by no means unviable.

Wraith on the other hand, is one of the most flexible heroes in terms of damage. You can easily go spirit or bullet, she scales just fine with both. In fact, when I play Wraith I always open with a spirit build. I put my first 3 levels into her cards, get Extra Charge + Mythic Burst. It's a fun opener.

She's in a fine spot right now imo
You are simply wrong. You cannot build spirit wraith. What are you going to do shoot bullets that dont do damage with cards that barley do 200 damage? And haze, is a strictly gun hero, youre missing my point again. she ONLY shoots her gun. Other heros have abilities that also do damage and act like defence along side offence. that actually do damage. Like i said if wraith cards could be built to actually do decent damage shed be viable. but her gun it trash and her cards are trash.

And haze no matter how you build her, shes still just shooting her gun and going invisible thats it.
Heros like Infernus is different because he has an ability that doubles as movement and attack/defence he has a projectile anbd he has after burn. Haze only has fixation which i do agree is a bit over tuned. But only because wraith sucks. It feels normal when a haze is against a mirage or an infernus. than it just comes down to better aim.


Wraith is in a terrible spot right now and by you saying anything different and saying shes in a fine spot right now really proves you dont know what youre talking about.

And the devs tend to listen to people like you and the game has been going down hill in the hero balancing sense.

Not saying your opinion doesnt matter, But if you think wraith is in a good spot right now i think your opinions are better left unread.
 
I strongly disagree that there are no viable spirit builds for Wraith and Haze. I once got DUMPSTERED by a 10/1/11 Spirit Haze that cleverly used Mercurial Magnum + Radiant Rejuvenation + Spirit Rend + Superior Duration. Her ults lasted forever and fixation did some chunky spirit damage, still remember it to this day. It might not be common, but it's by no means unviable.

Wraith on the other hand, is one of the most flexible heroes in terms of damage. You can easily go spirit or bullet, she scales just fine with both. In fact, when I play Wraith I always open with a spirit build. I put my first 3 levels into her cards, get Extra Charge + Mythic Burst. It's a fun opener.

She's in a fine spot right now imo
Also, if you read what i typed. i specifically mentioned that people like you only remember that 1 game where they got shit on. not the actually issues of the game. You have a salty memory which clouds your judgement on real issues.
 
Also, if you read what i typed. i specifically mentioned that people like you only remember that 1 game where they got shit on. not the actually issues of the game. You have a salty memory which clouds your judgement on real issues.
You might want to take a break from posting if my disagreement has got you riled up this much.
 
no she isn't this is just cope because objectively she's ok still, whilst grey talon has been rotting bottom for most of the games life now lol.

Just stop playing like she's a carry simple.
 
You might want to take a break from posting if my disagreement has got you riled up this much. You didnt "rile me up" in the slightest. Dont flatter your self lol, I was simply stating that i have already made a comment about what you have said. You have 1 bad game and think a hero is op or bad. You cloud peoples judgements on whats a real issue just like 99% of the community thinking gun is an issue when in reality its not.
 
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