Return Fire belongs to the 3000 Souls category

mimi

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I'm not sure if this is entended but for only 1250 souls this item is too strong / broken. It last 7 secs you can't just "wait it out" especially when you're stuck in a fight and unable to escape.

People are starting to abuse it in high elo and there is really no counter unless you build a lot of lifesteal.

Update: it can also be combined with Metal Skin...
 

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Just don't shoot...
Not being able to shoot back for 7 secs sounds balanced to you? Do I just watch someone kill me as Vindicta after I already used my Flight ability and can't escape, all because of a broken 1250 souls item with low cd. I think this item belongs in the 3000 souls category like Metal Skin.
 
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Not being able to shoot back for 7 secs balanced to you? so I just watch someone kill me when I can't escape because of a broken 1250 souls item with low cd.
Unless you're playing Haze, you should be able to use some skill instead to be able to survive. Like, viscous could punch, Geist could health drain, Vindicta could stake, etc.
 
I've always laughed when people use Return Fire because it does nothing when i shoot them. I've never once encountered this item and felt that it was anything but a waste of an item slot. I usually include lifesteal in all my builds to some extent, so maybe that's it? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, i'm just wondering what's different that causes you to think it's broken? Maybe people who use it build for it a bit more? Like if they have items that reduce bullet resist on opponents, etc..?
 
I think they have stats on item purchases and my experience in games suggests that this item is not popular at all. It's good, I wouldn't say broken, but it's unpopular.
 
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