Ivy Stone Form vs Paradox Paradoxical Swap - Match ID 601754

[kirby117101]

Match ID: 601754
Relevant timestamps:
19:42
42:53

I play Ivy quite a bit, so this isn't the first time I've been hit by Paradox Ulti in/around when I'm using Ivy's Stone Form, but in the past, it followed the easy-to-explain:
a) I cast too early: the ult does nothing (can't swap invuln statue?)
b) I cast just right: the ult goes off, paradox flies into a "stationary" Ivy, then gets stunned
c) I cast too late: the ult catches Ivy before I could Stone Form, and so I just had to wait til after the paradox swap finishes before I can use Stone Form

I think this is the first time I've ever been hit by Kinetic Carbine into the ult, so maybe this has always been a thing.
It would appear as though something is going on after the reworks to Paradox's abilities?
My buddy has a pretty solid idea, that it has to pertain with the Kinetic Carbine trying to not halt my momentum, the game seeing Ivy was hit by the Paradox Ult, and that I technically should have had a bunch of momentum... The only thing is that I wouldn't be able to cast Stone Form unless Kinetic Carbine has worn off, so unless there's some sort of "momentum grace period", so take this theory with a grain of salt

Anyway, the TL;DR: is I would like for the interaction to stay as it was, where Ivy gets to ignore the ult actually swapping her; but if we want the stone-form to actually swap places, it'd be nice if it followed the constant timeframe, rather than rubberbanding or snapping to the end-zone

 

[adderall_gal2002]

Also just dealt with this interaction.

View attachment Deadlock - 2024-07-06 6-30-44 AM.mp4

 

[_rat]

LOL. Idk it's an ultimate move with a predetermined outcome. I think paradox gets the slide here.

 

[kirby117101]

LOL. Idk it's an ultimate move with a predetermined outcome. I think paradox gets the slide here.

I would agree if they made it consistent (though I think they probably just fixed it from swapping... though I'm not entirely sure as I've not played Ivy into Paradox in a minute).

The problem is that it was a change from what used to happen before an update, and it was visually inconsistent with the rest of the ability's interactions (aka: I'd be fine if the Gargoyle form moved along the paradox ult line as any other character would)

 

[_rat]

I would agree if they made it consistent (though I think they probably just fixed it from swapping... though I'm not entirely sure as I've not played Ivy into Paradox in a minute).

The problem is that it was a change from what used to happen before an update, and it was visually inconsistent with the rest of the ability's interactions (aka: I'd be fine if the Gargoyle form moved along the paradox ult line as any other character would)

Fair.

 

[adderall_gal2002]

not ivy stone form but i got a very similar interaction where i got wraith + paradox ulted
View attachment Deadlock - 2024-08-03 1-05-37 AM.mp4

 

[Sir Gamer]

I think this is the classic case of unstoppable force meeting immovable object.

The previous rule gave the right of the way to whomever acted first, which seems fair to me.
The new behavior even looks janky, which suggests that it's a bug.

I've also had similar interactions, where some abilities and even damage got through the stone form. Sorry, no match id, but I remember it happening in the past 2 weeks I think, not earlier.