Bad player caught cheating.

[Shallow God]

Tracking me through a wall and prefiring a veil and headshotting me through the veil. Probably just a lucky guess though haha even though I hadn't gone close to the veil prior. You can see them wrestle back control in real time because of how obvious it is when I tested it the second time. At first I though maybe the veil gives away a hint someone is behind it but after watching their POV that's clearly not the case. I didn't even bother to check the rest of the replay for more instances. Before you wonder, I wasn't visible on their map either.

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[akademiker1]

well if it only happened in the laning phase I would say not that sus, you can check if someone is behind a veil if you see damage numbers. In the mid or lategame though noone checks veils.

 

[Shallow God]

well if it only happened in the laning phase I would say not that sus, you can check if someone is behind a veil if you see damage numbers. In the mid or lategame though noone checks veils.

Did you watch the POVs? Of course I invite you to watch the entire laning phase to see how many times she "checks the veil" beyond the two instances I'm behind it—the first instance not even rendering any result (even though I am there by chance). This isn't about veils specifically, this is just a perfect instance which a cheat would trigger in an obvious way. The second there's a line "sight" between me and them they light me up even though they shouldn't see me. Whether they cheated after this I didn't track but this instance alone goes beyond doubt. And if I were them I would whatever it was off after such an obvious display

Do not see them track me through the wall as I walk to the veil time in that match (no presidence)? They don't hit me, but then I pretend to be laning normally just firing off my gun then rush behind the veil which they then light me up in less than a second. If it were just one time you could just call it luck, but the second instance where I'm intentionally testing it (and remember they hit nothing the first time) just makes it too obvious. And look at how their aim snaps around the second time.

 

[trackpadchad]

Valve is usually pretty good with directional audio. You can hear the general direction of your loud clanky footsteps from haze's end, so they probably had the gamesense to poke the veil.

 

[akademiker1]

Did you watch the POVs? Of course I invite you to watch the entire laning phase to see how many times she "checks the veil" beyond the two instances I'm behind it—the first instance not even rendering any result (even though I am there by chance). This isn't about veils specifically, this is just a perfect instance which a cheat would trigger in an obvious way. The second there's a line "sight" between me and them they light me up even though they shouldn't see me. Whether they cheated after this I didn't track but this instance alone goes beyond doubt. And if I were them I would whatever it was off after such an obvious display

Do not see them track me through the wall as I walk to the veil time in that match (no presidence)? They don't hit me, but then I pretend to be laning normally just firing off my gun then rush behind the veil which they then light me up in less than a second. If it were just one time you could just call it luck, but the second instance where I'm intentionally testing it (and remember they hit nothing the first time) just makes it too obvious. And look at how their aim snaps around the second time.

I do the same thing, I shoot a few bullets through the veil to check if someone's there. You disappearing behind the shop and haze checking veil isnt that sus.

 

[Shallow God]

well if it only happened in the laning phase I would say not that sus, you can check if someone is behind a veil if you see damage numbers. In the mid or lategame though noone checks veils.

I do the same thing, I shoot a few bullets through the veil to check if someone's there. You disappearing behind the shop and haze checking veil isnt that sus.

My main issue isn't just that they poked the veil but they did so with excessive accuracy. In the first instance I would've been hit if I kept walking straight. Also, while you can vaguely hear the sprint jump in the second instance, even at a painfully loud volume you cannot hear my footsteps that well let alone to track me through the wall like they do in especially with all the noises from the creeps—and especially at that distance. Also I rewatched the replay and these are the ONLY times they check the veil but there are many instances where I'm hidden behind the shop (they can't see behind the shop in these clips either yet they just KNOW behind the veil).

Look at 0:17 of their POV. You can't seriously think that's normal behaviour. I'm literally standing still just to test them, even if they were using noise I'm standing still and they plink me right in the head. They don't shoot the veil when I'm shopping, or when I'm typing right next to it, they ONLY ever checked it when I was behind it. And to be frank, this player did not display a high level of game sense or awareness beyond these instances. So unless they're a savant at echolocation I don't that's the case. You really think they heard my walk from 30 metres away and timed it perfectly to fire exactly where I'm gonna be? The Veil isn't a narror doorway either.

Look at this, this is ridiculous. Look how far away I am in the second instance. They can't see the shop, they don't/shouldn't know that I've ever been behind the veil yet it's like the KNOW I'm there at that moment.
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[trackpadchad]

My main issue isn't just that they poked the veil but they did so with excessive accuracy. In the first instance I would've been hit if I kept walking straight. Also, while you can vaguely hear the sprint jump in the second instance, even at a painfully loud volume you cannot hear my footsteps that well let alone to track me through the wall like they do in especially with all the noises from the creeps—and especially at that distance. Also I rewatched the replay and these are the ONLY times they check the veil but there are many instances where I'm hidden behind the shop (they can't see behind the shop in these clips either yet they just KNOW behind the veil).

Look at 0:17 of their POV. You can't seriously think that's normal behaviour. I'm literally standing still just to test them, even if they were using noise I'm standing still and they plink me right in the head. They don't shoot the veil when I'm shopping, or when I'm typing right next to it, they ONLY ever checked it when I was behind it. And to be frank, this player did not display a high level of game sense or awareness beyond these instances. So unless they're a savant at echolocation I don't that's the case. You really think they heard my walk from 30 metres away and timed it perfectly to fire exactly where I'm gonna be? The Veil isn't a narror doorway either.

Look at this, this is ridiculous. Look how far away I am in the second instance. They can't see the shop, they don't/shouldn't know that I've ever been behind the veil yet it's like the KNOW I'm there at that moment.

For the first veil poke, you vanished from line of sight for a short while and she was at a spot you could reach from the veil. The second time, you did it again and you can hear loud foodsteps coming from the left side. This isn't walling, this is just reading; by repeatedly testing if she was walling with the veil, you actually tested her pattern recognition.

 

[Shallow God]

For the first veil poke, you vanished from line of sight for a short while and she was at a spot you could reach from the veil. The second time, you did it again and you can hear loud foodsteps coming from the left side. This isn't walling, this is just reading; by repeatedly testing if she was walling with the veil, you actually tested her pattern recognition.

Feel free to check it yourself, but once again, there are many instances of me vanishing from their line of sight there and they never check the veil even once. The first instance they don't hit me, so no pattern is established. In the second instance they do, yet after this they don't check it again even though a pattern has been established. Also there's no way percise location coordinates can be gathered from that distance from footsteps, enough to land well timed shots like that—twice in a 30 second window. Also please explain the janky snapping back and forth between the veil and the creeps at 0:17. At first I though it was just the replay being weird but the top down view looks just as erratic. Do they have max sense on their mouse? Not a main point but it's worth mentioning. Weird that they so quickly give up on checking the veil even though I haven't yet reemerged and they know I'm still behind it. If they had hit me the first time you'd have more ground but two near perfect "guesses" in the span of 20 seconds?

At this point I'm just repeating myself but if you're convinced they heard my footsteps from 30 metres away and that's why they snap headshotted me through a veil, then I suppose you're not gonna change your mind. I think the footage speaks for itself honestly.

 

[trackpadchad]

Feel free to check it yourself, but once again, there are many instances of me vanishing from their line of sight there and they never check the veil even once. The first instance they don't hit me, so no pattern is established. In the second instance they do, yet after this they don't check it again even though a pattern has been established. Also there's no way percise location coordinates can be gathered from that distance from footsteps, enough to land well timed shots like that—twice in a 30 second window. Also please explain the janky snapping back and forth between the veil and the creeps at 0:17. At first I though it was just the replay being weird but the top down view looks just as erratic. Do they have max sense on their mouse? Not a main point but it's worth mentioning. Weird that they so quickly give up on checking the veil even though I haven't yet reemerged and they know I'm still behind it. If they had hit me the first time you'd have more ground but two near perfect "guesses" in the span of 20 seconds?

At this point I'm just repeating myself but if you're convinced they heard my footsteps from 30 metres away and that's why they snap headshotted me through a veil, then I suppose you're not gonna change your mind. I think the footage speaks for itself honestly.

The snapping back and forth was her realizing she landed a shot, and later you can see her keeping an eye on the veil while shooting the creeps, while also keeping cover. Erratic movement like this isn't max sensitivity, it's the opposite. You can also see that she used WASD a lot to aim.

Basically, this isn't a cheater, this is a Counter-Strike player.

 

[Shallow God]

The snapping back and forth was her realizing she landed a shot, and later you can see her keeping an eye on the veil while shooting the creeps, while also keeping cover. Erratic movement like this isn't max sensitivity, it's the opposite. You can also see that she used WASD a lot to aim.

Basically, this isn't a cheater, this is a Counter-Strike player.

I was gonna write this, but I thought it was too anal to mention, but watch their POV 20 seconds onwards. I am right next to the veil typing—like close enough that I can easily dash then hook in a second. They rightly keep an eye on the veil not zooming in so they can watch it, cheater or not, it's logical as a hit connected. But when I finish typing and start to move away from the veil they zoom in and no longer watch the veil before I even begin to emerge as if they know I'm no longer near it—with their guns empty as well. You'll say they hear my footsteps through all the noise and can tell which side I'm coming from but I just find that unlikely or that maybe it was just a coincidence but I thought it was weird.

Again, I don't think there's much to say. I've watched the clips as loud as I can bear and knowing how this player otherwise performed, such perfect reads in succession is just preposterous. It's easy to watch the isolated clips and imagine all the possible things they could've done to explain how they knew exactly were I was behind a invisibility wall to shoot there with such precision and timing—twice . And if they were capable of doing that so consistently I think they would've preformed better in general—which they did not. However, you are making me think about it some though: I watched more of the replay and there really isn't another instance of this besides them tracking things through smoke but they play so poorly that what you described just seems simply improbable. When I watch the rest of their gameplay I find it hard to conclude they're a cheater but when I watch the clips of them tracking me through a wall and then headshotting me from 30 metres away without even seeing or hearing me, I fail to be convinced. While the points you've made aren't thing I haven't considered, your conviction against what I thought was obvious has been somewhat eye-opening. It's still my belief these instance were foul although I do not feel so strongly about them anymore and I appricate the perspective you've given me on it.

 

[trackpadchad]

Again, I don't think there's much to say. I've watched the clips as loud as I can bear and knowing how this player otherwise performed, such perfect reads in succession is just preposterous. It's easy to watch the isolated clips and imagine all the possible things they could've done to explain how they knew exactly were I was behind a invisibility wall to shoot there with such precision and timing—twice . And if they were capable of doing that so consistently I think they would've preformed better in general—which they did not. However, you are making me think about it some though: I watched more of the replay and there really isn't another instance of this besides them tracking things through smoke but they play so poorly that what you described just seems simply improbable. When I watch the rest of their gameplay I find it hard to conclude they're a cheater but when I watch the clips of them tracking me through a wall and then headshotting me from 30 metres away without even seeing or hearing me, I fail to be convinced. While the points you've made aren't thing I haven't considered, your conviction against what I thought was obvious has been somewhat eye-opening. It's still my belief these instance were foul although I do not feel so strongly about them anymore and I appricate the perspective you've given me on it.

Yeah, I decided to watch the entire match because I have nothing better to do. They definitely would've played a lot better if they didn't sit on so much souls. I've noticed that they had pretty good awareness and steady aim, they just made a lot of bad plays.
Some things to note of the replay:

• Very consistent at avoiding enemy ults
• Landed a lot of good sleeps, even pinged some slept targets
• They've definitely played a lot of Counter-Strike

 

[-_-]

They look like a noob, could be cheating ngl.

 

[van17ino6]

0:17 in your second video (her POV)
you can hear bebop's footstep exposing him going for the second time to that veil, so that exposed position
but the first time she shoots through the veil (which is the first time you go to the veil) even if sus, I think she guessed correctly

i've watched more of the replay, she doesn't look like having wallhack
for example

she reacted to infernus too late to be seeing him throught the wall
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happened against Shiv too
if she's cheating somebody just give her an oscar

 

[Forlorn88]

Tracking me through a wall and prefiring a veil and headshotting me through the veil. Probably just a lucky guess though haha even though I hadn't gone close to the veil prior. You can see them wrestle back control in real time because of how obvious it is when I tested it the second time. At first I though maybe the veil gives away a hint someone is behind it but after watching their POV that's clearly not the case. I didn't even bother to check the rest of the replay for more instances. Before you wonder, I wasn't visible on their map either.

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Obvious wallhacker is obvious. In second clip she traces bebop directly through the wall. That's not sound detection. A normal player hears sounds and then looks at the veil, since they would expect it from there. But this hacker is looking directly at a person through a wall.

It would be obvious if you watched her POV with a wallhack enabled yourself, then you would watch the crosshair trace you through the wall.

 

[invscrl]

Obvious wallhacker is obvious. In second clip she traces bebop directly through the wall. That's not sound detection. A normal player hears sounds and then looks at the veil, since they would expect it from there. But this hacker is looking directly at a person through a wall.

It would be obvious if you watched her POV with a wallhack enabled yourself, then you would watch the crosshair trace you through the wall.

That's not so. He uses a 3rd-person view advantages to spot Bebop. You can easily notice a small flick when he finishes scanning the area around T1 with his eyes. As soon as he doesn't notice Bebop, he decides to check the veil.

The second moment of this video speaks for itself, he clearly hears footsteps and makes a check-in shot. From his position, he shoots at the most obvious place.

 

[trackpadchad]

I just thought this worth pointing out. As a rule of thumb, the sound of footsteps depends on your line of sight. Excuse the flashbang, I don't know why the colors are messed up in these recordings.

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It is barely audible even with the soundscape turned off, but you can still hear the bebop moving around while the creeps fight.
Here's a cleaner example with the line of sight. Veils do not muffle your footsteps, so you can actually tell if someone's moving away from the veil.

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[multiplemike]

Yeah tbh it's not conclusive. There's no real tracking through walls and plenty of people use sound compressors to isolate footsteps over other audio to make it easier. Plus bebop has the most unique walk sound in the game with clanking. It's suspicious that they always manage to hit you but it's also pretty obvious that you'll flank. I also shoot at fog like this when someone goes missing, but not as lucky with hits.

 

[opss]

looks legit

 

[sirlax1998]

While it might be sus, honestly if they were a high level Overwatch player we did this kind of thing all the time regardless if we saw you walk that way just as a scare tactic at the very minimum. I think they might just know that's an easy spot for you to bully them from and as such was trying to make it clear they knew you might be there. Now if the Haze the first time had Immediately thrown her sleep dagger that would be one thing, but her POV just looks like a cautious player.

 

[acidente]

I love that even though it really seems like a hacker you still did manage to hook and kill her lmao